Useful Notes Cleanup

Do we need Zack Snyders Justice League? I feel like no other work has a UN just devoted to its development.

I feel like that's misuse.

Everything on it has been moved to the film's Analysis page.

There’s some more discussion on it here.

This is kind of unrelated, but can someone explain to me why they nuked the recap page for Zack Snyder's Justice League when similar ones for stuff like Avengers: Endgame remain up? I feel like it was uncalled for without discussion.

Feel free to DM me if there's a better place to talk about this, but nobody informed me about cutting the page while I was still working on it. If other superhero movies get recaps, then I don't see why this shouldn't.

Edited by KingClark on Mar 23rd 2021 at 1:10:57 PM

Films don't need recaps, since our purpose for that namespace seems to be for focusing on individual installments of a series (like TV episodes) that don't get their own trope page. As far as I'm concerned there shouldn't be any left up.

(I have no idea where the appropriate place to discuss this would be either, BTW. Perhaps Ask The Tropers?)

Edited by nrjxll on Mar 24th 2021 at 2:47:11 PM

Recaps can be used for actual recaps (plot summaries), since it was merged with the Synopsis namespace.

We do have a recap cleanup now, by the by. I think we agreed over there that recaps need tropes, or else they're off-mission.

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 24th 2021 at 3:30:37 PM

I've read statements to the contrary; continuing the discussion in the linked thread.

Regarding the Justice League page, I also posted in the analysis thread.

Coming from this ATT of mine: while going through the Awards Index, I wondered if Abema Best Voice Actors seemed too trivial for a Useful Notes page. While most of the pages on awards are tied to an established organization tied to whatever media they are judging (like the British Film Institute publishing a List Of Films You Should See By The Age Of 14), this was a single set of awards given by a Japanese TV station.

That said, I admit I am not sure if "triviality" is something that can count against a Useful Notes page - it is "related to its creation and distribution in some way", as the definition on the Useful Notes page states. To me, it just seems a little too minute to warrant a page, but I wanted to get others' opinions on the matter.

I kind of want to rewrite Play Station Portable because I don't feel like it flows super well. UN pages are allowed to be long, but the current write up comes across as oddly paced I guess?

Edited by Karxrida on Jun 25th 2021 at 10:52:09 AM

I think it needs to be trimmed. It's not too long for an article, but it doesn't convey information efficiently. The bullet points need to be trimmed for sure. Maybe we should turn the section about different revisions into a list or table, that says the key differences between them?

Moving to too-long because it can be now.

Edited by Malady on Jul 4th 2021 at 8:21:32 AM

Uh... United States doesn't have a link to a page to all the states? I wanted somewhere to put a work that's set in South Dakota and New Hampshire... But there's nowhere?

Should there be a page for every state? Or would my work go in The Several States?

So, question. Does Weimar Republic really need that note about QI and what the Weimar Republic was called in its time at the top?

Because I honestly think it's a better fit at the bottom

bringing in misplaced nationalism here. the page is not at all worthy of a useful notes title, let alone a page on this website.

Edited by namra on Dec 4th 2021 at 3:11:45 AM

And I'll repost my argument from the other thread, which is that it can actually be pretty useful and isn't flame-y.

Genuinely curious, what use does it serve? Because honestly, I agree that it doesn't seem to serve any purpose except to let people record any nationalism-based arguments they see.

totally agree. the openness of the page basically is allowing people to flame war and soapbox all they want. i think this page should just be redirected to the useful notes page on nationalism in general.

...And help for writers looking to incorporate these details into their stories. I'd argue it's more useful than the page on, say, UsefulNotes.Upstate New York (which is literally where I live, so I can promise this isn't a place of bias). It's more likely to pop up in stories than the top of my state is. Something being controversial or potentially flame bait-y doesn't mean it doesn't warrant an article, especially if the article hasn't actually attracted any problems. We can just lock it or something.

Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 4th 2021 at 6:51:53 AM

i don't think you understand my point. i'm saying that the page contains and indiscriminate and irrelevant amount of information and isn't really suitable for the wiki. it reads like a poorly written wikipedia article.

I've read the article multiple times. I'm not against rewriting or even trimming some of it, but I still maintain that it has useful information and is actually way more relevant than a bunch of other useful notes pages.

in that case we should simply say it's about nationalism. we don't need to write a massive wall of text for it. and for the record, i think a TRS thread is perfectly necessary to accomplish this.

TRS is designed for pages that need fundamental, massive changes, mostly tropes that require something about them be altered to prevent issues. A description being bloated doesn't fall under that umbrella; this very thread could do the job itself.