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#1: Jun 30th 2018 at 2:12:57 PM

Let\'s talk about the NES Classic Mini and SNES Classic Mini, and also speculate about what else Nintendo might add to the line.

Like most people, I missed out on the ridiculously small initial run of the NES Mini. When the SNES Mini was announced, I got a pre-order in; the guy at GameStop told me the entire first wave had been booked, but I could get one in the second wave, and even he wasn\'t able to get a first-wave console in time. (My local GameStop is literally literally across the road from a CeX, and SNES Minis appeared in that window the day the first wave became available. Fuck flippers).

Still, I did manage to get it, and WOW! The SNES and Virtual Boy are the only Nintendo consoles I never owned, so these games were all new to me, and the price is worth it just for Super Mario World and Super Metroid. Those games are incredible. Still not convinced? Earthbound is also on it; I haven\'t played that one much, but it looks interesting.

The NES Mini returned to sale yesterday, and I\'d managed to get a pre-order in on it, so I managed to get it at last. I\'ve played a selection of what\'s on offer, and wow, some of these games have not aged well. Still, Super Mario Bros is as enjoyable today as it when I first played it in 1991 or 1992. It\'s also a little weird that it has Mega Man 2 but not Mega Man 1; I know that 2 is the more popular and iconic game, but still.

The NES Mini was criticised by those who managed to get one for its absurdly short controller cable, which I\'m pretty sure is even shorter than the wire on the actual NES; this has not been fixed, so you\'ll need to sit on the ground right in front of the telly. You\'d think Nintendo could have bundled an extension cable with the reissue. Fortunately, the SNES Mini cable is a reasonable length, though if you\'re playing in a large room you\'ll likely still want to pull your chair up. It\'s also a little irritating that they used only American ROMs, but I guess that kind of internationalism would have pushed the cost too high

Still, those are relatively minor criticisms. These systems are pretty good for game archiving, letting people play the classics in the closest manner possible to the originals. Also cool? The controllers use the Wiimote connectors, so you can use them to play Wii and Wii U Virtual Console games with maximum authenticity.

Anybody else have these systems? What are your favourite games? Do you think we\'ll see an N64 Mini or Game Boy Classic Edition?

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#2: Jun 30th 2018 at 2:22:53 PM

I hacked my SNES classic to have Super Mario: All Stars. The SNES was the console I had growing up. I never owned an N64, and skipped straight to the Gamecube. I've owned every Nintendo home console ever since.

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#3: Jul 1st 2018 at 8:04:45 AM

[up][up] I actually did not know that about the controller connectors. That's super cool!

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#4: Jul 1st 2018 at 9:34:45 AM

I haven't got any of these little toy-sized systems, but I do however owns the larger ones.

...That said, I do want a SNES Mini for Star Fox 2...

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#5: Jul 1st 2018 at 11:35:33 AM

[up][up]I've tried it with the SNES Mini controller, and it totally does work. Yeah, I have the Classic and Classic Pro controllers as well, but darn it there's nothing like full authenticity.

[up]It does kind of suck to pay €70 or so for one SNES game. Hopefully Nintendo will sort out the Virtual Console at some point and put Star Fox 2 on it.

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#6: Jul 1st 2018 at 12:26:43 PM

I only have the SNES mini right now, and it's amazing.

I didn't get the NES mini at first because most of the games I wanted to play, I already had on Virtual Console. At least the SNES mini gave me games that weren't ever given a rerelease (like the original version of Yoshi's Island and Star Fox) as well as a never-before-released game (Star Fox 2),

I think we'll see an N64 mini soon. Though we've had no word at E3 on it.

EDIT: Just got an NES Classic at my local Target. So far, I'm enjoying it. Played Dr. Mario, Gradius, and Mega Man 2.

There are a bunch of games I would say that are "missing" across both systems: Castlvania III, Gradius III, Mega Man 1 and 3 (and also 4-6 but people seem to like 1-3 more), Ninja Gaiden 2-3, Chrono Trigger, DKC 2-3, and Final Fight.

Edited by powerpuffbats on Jul 2nd 2018 at 5:20:53 AM

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#7: Aug 25th 2018 at 11:55:21 AM

I decided to have a think about what games might be on the N64 Mini if it happens.

Guaranteed

You can't not have the system's flagship Mario and Zelda games, particularly since they still appear on lists of best games ever. While Majora's Mask didn't get the same accolades as Ocarina of Time, it's still a good Zelda game, and, well, it came right after Ocarina of Time

All but certain

I would assign each of these games a 95% probability of being included.

Paper Mario is a cult hit RPG starring Mario and friends; since Super Mario RPG was included on the SNES Mini, it stands to reason Paper Mario would be included with the N64 Mini. As for the rest, both the NES and SNES Minis had Kirby and Donkey Kong games, and the SNES Mini also had F-Zero, Starfox, Yoshi, Mario Kart representation.

Likely

Again, the NES and SNES Minis both have Mega Man games, and while Mega Man 64 was less well-received than the 2D games, it's generally well-regarded.

Sin and Punishment did well enough on the Wii Virtual Console to get a sequel made, so including it here would be a great idea.

Rayman 2 is also likely given how well Nintendo is getting along with Ubisoft recently, even helping market and publish the recent Rayman games.

And Super Smash Bros is Super Smash Bros

Possible

Excitebike, 1080, Wave Race, and Tony Hawk were all riding the extreme sports fad of the late 90s and early 2000s, but that has fallen somewhat out of favour. Of the four, Excitebike is the most likely due to the original being on the NES Mini.

Snowboard Kids is basically Mario Kart on snowboards and Nintendo has been pretty friendly with Atlus for a while, so this might be a left-field choice.

The Star Wars games are all well-regarded, and they're, you know, Star Wars. Hopefully Disney/Lucasfilm won't insist too hard on only releasing material that falls into the new continuity.

Unlikely

Diddy Kong Racing was one of the most popular and well-regarded N64 games, and it's based on a Nintendo property... but Banjo and Conker are playable characters, and they're owned by Microsoft through their acquisition of Rare.

While both the NES and SNES Minis have Castlevania games, those games are considered classics, while the N64 games are really, really not. Even at launch they were considered mediocre at best, and time has not been kind to their critical appraisal. As such, I'd be surprised if either of them were to make it in.

Improbable

These are all owned by Rare, who are now part of Microsoft. It isn't inconceivable they'll get in, but I doubt Nintendo will want to go through the licensing hassle.

Games that WON'T make it

The NES and SNES Minis were both rated 12, and Nintendo will logically want to keep the N64 rating the same or lower; no sense in restricting something so cool, with lots of kid-friendly games, to adults. As such, there's no way it will have anything rated 16 or 18.

Edited by VampireBuddha on Aug 25th 2018 at 7:55:57 PM

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#8: Oct 24th 2018 at 11:21:58 AM

tclittle posted this in the Nintendo Direct thread.

Banjo-Kazooie now has a PEGI rating, as does Mario Party 1. Since PEGI wasn't established until a year into the GameCube's life, this suggests that an N64 Classic Mini is on its way, and that these games will be on it.

Huh. If that's true, it means that other Rare games might appear. That would be something.

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#9: Oct 31st 2018 at 11:56:42 PM

Gaming Intel rumor: N64 Classic to be announced after today's Smash Direct.

If true, we're likely to know in about 8 hours (Direct is just over 7 hours from this writing, and is 40 minutes).

Edited by tclittle on Nov 1st 2018 at 2:21:00 PM

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#10: Nov 2nd 2018 at 4:36:34 AM

Didn't happen, which is to be expected, since this was a Smash Bros Direct. Still, rumours are that there will be a second Direct later this month, so maybe we'll get an announcement then.

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#11: Nov 16th 2018 at 4:13:38 AM

The Regginator says the N64 Classic Mini is not happening

“We were clear when we did the first two Classic series that, for us, these were limited time opportunities that were a way for us as a business to bridge from the conclusion of Wii U as a hardware system to the launch of Nintendo Switch,” he said. “That was the very strategic reason we launched the NES Classic system.” The Wii U had been fading fast by early 2016 and the Switch didn’t launch until early 2017.

“So while consumers may have been anticipating something, we view these as limited time opportunities. We’ve also now been very clear that as the consumer looks forward to engaging with our classic content that is going to happen more and more with the subscription service.

“Would you rule out an N64 Classic coming?” I asked.

“I would not ever rule something out,” he said, “but what I can tell you is certainly that’s not in our planning horizon.”

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#12: Nov 18th 2018 at 2:54:20 PM

Okay, so there also goes any future potential for a GameCube Classic Mini... I do wonder though if the lack of Virtual Console will just be for the Nintendo Switch or if these Mini consoles means that it (Virtual Console) will go away permanently...

Edited by CybranGeneralSturm on Nov 18th 2018 at 2:54:32 AM

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#13: Nov 18th 2018 at 2:57:27 PM

Doesn't Dolphin (almost) work on the Switch? We could still get Game Cube games on the Switch in the future, especially since the controller adapter is a thing.

Edited by Karxrida on Nov 18th 2018 at 2:57:33 AM

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#14: Nov 19th 2018 at 9:45:34 AM

Based on Reggie's comments, I'm guessing Nintendo will roll out Switch programs similar to what they have for the NES, but covering at least SNES, N64, GB(C), and GBA games. The GameCube is a sticking point, since a bunch of them would require people to buy the GameCube adaptor and possibly, and getting people to buy an extra piece of hardware is a risky move. Yes, not all GameCube games use the analogue triggers, but Super Mario Sunshine and F-Zero GX do, and those are games they'll really want for the service.

If you're willing to use emulation, there's always Nintendont for the Wii, which supports GameCube controllers natively.

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#16: Dec 11th 2018 at 6:40:41 PM

Well, ****. Nintendo truly has gone backwards now. The subscription thing is IMO a really stupid idea because it screws over people who only play specific games and by extension people who like to Let's Play only specific games.

Edited by CybranGeneralSturm on Dec 11th 2018 at 6:47:17 AM

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#17: Dec 12th 2018 at 1:46:13 AM

I ended up buying the SNES Classic this week-end (Since I regretted not buying it when it was everywhere, I jumped on the occasion when I found a store that still carried it). I'm pretty happy with it.

Since I've been learning to play Super Metroid recently (in order to play the crossover randomizer), I promptly fired up the game on the console, and finally managed to finish a (non-100%) playthrough in less than three hours!grin

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#18: Dec 12th 2018 at 10:24:01 AM

So as someone who doesn’t have a switch can you buy the NES titles individually or do you have to pay for the online service to have access ala PS Plus

Anyways I just got a SNES classic yesterday and I’m thinking of hacking it are their any good step b step tutorials

Edited by Invincibleasshole on Dec 12th 2018 at 1:55:49 AM

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#19: Dec 12th 2018 at 6:26:53 PM

You need to sign up to Switch Online to play NES games on the Switch.

Also, the Switch maps A to A and B to B rather than the standard B to A and Y to B, with no way to change it. This makes action games really awkward.

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#20: Dec 12th 2018 at 6:29:01 PM

[up]x2 Asking for hacking advice is against forum rules.

Also, the online service isn't a good replacement when we're stuck with NES and no button mapping.

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#21: Dec 12th 2018 at 6:45:47 PM

I just think that the online service is a bad idea for retro gaming period because it's subscription-based. I am also aware that many will not share my opinion, but that is fine.

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#22: Dec 12th 2018 at 6:48:18 PM

I don't think the subscription-based method is inherently bad since it lets you try out games you probably wouldn't buy otherwise. There are definitely pros and cons here.

But the way it's being handled right now is garbage because of the selection and how we're being drip-fed this shit.

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