As more of his harsh treatment of the colonies becomes known to a greater amount of people I could definitely see Churchill receiving a negative image makeover in public perception similar to what happened with Andrew Jackson and Christopher Columbus, the latter of whom's real character was honestly one of the most thoroughly evil people I've ever heard of.
Though with Churchill it'll probably be harder since he, y'know, legitimately played a big role in fighting someone orders of magnitude worse.
Uhhhhhhhh... movies?
edited 22nd Apr '18 9:09:21 PM by HamburgerTime
There has never been a better example of a man being meant for a particular moment than Winston Churchill. Before the war, not so good. After the war, not so good.
I liked the movie because that particular part of history is right up my alley. There are lots of things about any movie that you could comb through and criticize: Labor is barely mentioned in the movie, and it was Labor's refusal to support Chamberlain that was the biggest factor in Churchill taking office. But the scene on the underground really was quite bothersome. Because honestly, British opinion wasn't quite that gung-ho in 1940, and if Winston had gathered everybody on the train together and said "Look, folks, we might have our whole goddamn army captured in a couple of days", well, the response might have been different.
Trying to make a feel-good "man of the people" scene in a biopic is fine, but keep that shit out of a Churchill biopic.
Actually on second thought, just don't make Churchill biopics. If you wanna see a good film about the Dunkirk evacuation, watch Dunkirk. A film that actually portrays these people with realistic emotion. A film that isn't just endless nationalism and propaganda disguised as art. Sure you could make the argument that Dunkirk, too, was made for the Oscars, but it at least was well-made. And it at least wasn't disgustingly sympathetic toward someone you could honestly put up there with military dictators.
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Couldn't really expect quality from the same man who made Pan.
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Wait. This is from the director of Pan.
Suddenly everything about Darkest Hour makes complete sense.
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That's basically what I said too.
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Are you really serious about that?
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I just mean, like, now that you've told me this was made by the dude who made Pan, it makes more sense. It now makes sense why it feels like there was no direction to anyone's performance, or why there's this feel-good attitude to way too many of the scenes, or why this war drama insists on having moments of comedy that feel completely fucking inappropriate.
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Uh, yeah, why are you asking?
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Are you really using the fact that the director who directed Pan is a reason why the film is all that bad for you?
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I've already listed all of why I feel like the film is bad, it being directed by the guy who made Pan is basically a cherry on top of a shit sundae for me.
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Well if you put that way for you.
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Wait, the Pan movie with a white girl as Tiger Lily? That... yeesh.
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It’s like if someone watch A Knight‘s Tale and understood nothing about why it worked.
He also directed Atonement. Which I guess is a better film regarding the effects of WWII on damaging people, but it’s not really about the war so much as the war happens during it.
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Among the Best Picture nominees, I only watched Get Out, The Post, and Dunkirk.
Get Out – Very strong words of mouth.
The Post – The whole Pentagon Papers is one of the most important historical topic to me. And really, Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg? Goddam, sign me up.
Dunkirk – It’s directed by Christopher Nolan, that was enough for me to almost instinctively buy a ticket. Also, in my town there was a rescreening of the Dark Knight, so I watched those two films back to back, which was a fucking awesome experience.
Ones that I didn’t watch…
Shape of the Water and Call Me by Your Name – The premise put me off.
Darkest Hour – After the King’s Speech, I figured that I watched enough of this kind of film, Gary Oldman or not.
Three Billboards, Phantom Thread, and Lady Bird – I must confess, I’ve never even heard of these ones until the Oscar season.
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Dunkirk was great. I was hoping it would win. I would have been OK with Get Out winning too as it was tremendous. Don't think I'll be watching the movie where the lady has sex with the fish man.
Shape of Water isn't going to appeal to everyone, and I'll admit it is not my kind of movie either, but it is an absolute master class of filmmaking. Del Toro uses everything at his disposal to craft a story.
I am also put off a little when a movie is marketed in the trailers via the awards and critical praise, it's taking Oscar Bait to the extreme. I guess when it comes to a number of independent films that's often the only thing they have going for them, but I'd rather see what the movie is about rather than another round of Quote Mining. It was especially notable in Molly's Game, as I barely understood the premise because I had to get around the "Sorkin's directoral debut!" and "Chastain is amazing!" glorifying. I was surprised how much I ended up liking the movie because the subject matter stood on its own.
edited 25th Apr '18 12:04:05 AM by KJMackley
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I saw “Fantastic Woman” on Amazon Prime earlier this week. It was quite good.
You really feel this woman and want to see her succeed in life.
My big question going in was how it would compare to 2016’s Best Foreign Film.
“The Salesman” was really good but I would say “Fantastic Woman” is just a little bit better.
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Big changes announced for the following Oscars
Show date moved up to February 9, 2019.
Show being cut down to 3 hours, meaning not every award will be featured live.
New category being made for “popular films”.
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If they shove Black Panther into a new “best popular schlock” category rather than let it be nominated for best picture, I’m gonna be really mad.
This is Best Animated Film all over again.
Lame lame lame lame LAME
I saw Darkest Hour on Amazon with my mom, and I was tuning out through part of it from sheer boredom. When it was over I launched into a rant about how much I loathed it and its blatant inaccuracies (really, gonna fucking pretend that Chamberlain was conspiring to remove Churchill as Prime Minister when even people from his own party criticized him in the Narvik Debate and he lost most of his credibility afterwards?). I'm a history major, something this inaccurate makes my stomach churn, and pretending Churchill, an aristocratic prick born with a silver spoon in his mouth, was somehow a man of the people is shameless propaganda. Oldman wasn't even that good in the damn role.
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