Doki Doki Literature Club

Another cute picture drawn by a friend of mine

Warning. This is a cute "Sayori" version of Your Reality that gets dark real fast.

Edited by Soble on Aug 10th 2018 at 7:27:27 AM

Today is the anniversary of DDLC, so have this cute anniversary picture.

I don't want to double post, but this thread is pretty much dead anyway, so I figured I'd bring up a particular topic. Dan Salvato went and did an Anniversary Livestream about the game a couple days ago. Someone did a summary of his highlighted comments.

Edited by marston on Sep 26th 2018 at 7:45:57 AM

It's interesting that Monika was the one who wrote the poem most blatantly about cutting. That actually makes a lot of sense with the context Dan provides. While cutting is likely an issue for Yuri, even without tampering, she always refers to it in the form of metaphors.

Great, Monika's one of "those" types of Smash players...

Apparently that was actually part two of a Livestream he did. Here's a summary of part 1.

Well, yeah.

Apparently some people actually thought that.

Also, depression...handling the MC's reaction to Sayori. Glad it was addressed, some people are just so sensitive.

It's pretty easy to glean/misinterpret that the poem is about Yuri given the point in the story you read it at. No idea why anyone would think "Amy" exists, but still.

Oh, so that's why she did it. A bit of Snap Back just so she won't feel too bad, definitely in character.

I feel so bad for Natsuki :(

Unless you're going Yuri's route...but Natsuki has no reason to know what Yuri's interest are and she clearly starts saying it's about herself at the end, she never even mentions Yuri.

Honestly the constant shittalking of MC while sympathizing with Monika back than is something that genuinely pissed me off. I honestly can't think of any other explanation besides having blatant double standards. People say that Monika's actions were justified by her situation, but no one ever bothered to look at MC's situation. He should have known Sayori was depressed? Sayori was literally hiding her depression from him. He should have checked up on her? Maybe, but keep in mind Sayori had literally told him the day before that it hurts her when people care about her.

Not to mention that he's still going through the shock of finding out his supposedly happy go lucky best friend (and possible girlfriend) has struggled with depression her whole life. It's ridiculous to expect a teenager in that position to do everything correctly and treat him like he's the anti-christ for messing up. At least people are much more sympathetic to MC now.

Oh and in case anyone comes at me with the "well, MC isn't a real character" argument, that isn't relevant here. If you condemn MC for messing up with Sayori, you're giving him the agency of a character, so I'm going to defend him as a character. You can't have it both ways.

Is more that Monika actions are villious so she get and excuse and reason of why she did that and in the end she got stop.

the MC? is just unpleasent, he nagg her quite a lot, he call her silly even after the bomb she drop him earlier and so own, in sort he fill more dickish thant it should and then the game stop pretending he matter as chararter in act two and focus in weird and creepy shit around it.

B Ut yeah, there is a sort of double standar here: Dan kept taking as MC is a sort of own chararter, and it NEED to be one in order to sayuri scene to means something, otherwise is as emtphy as anything else, but back down to it later, which is kind of crappy considring the MC have to see her best friend hang herself like that, in fact the way he react is......

I mean is clear Monika didnt know that could happen so I really sugest the idea that the game was a fairly easy simulator game and sayori dying was a bad end(the game would end int he festival).

It makes me think of My Hero Academia, where people have a much greater hatred for the characters Bakugo (the main character's childhood bully) and Endeavor (a side character's domestic abuser father) than they do the actual villains.

I think the issue is that they hit too close to home than a mass murdering psychopath or, in this case, a girl who will effectively wipe her friends from existence in the name of love vs a guy who can be an insensitive Jerkass.

Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 21st 2018 at 12:03:59 PM

I call it the Umbriges effect, were a unlikable chararter is ten times worst than the villian because they dislike come to a chararter they like, it hit to close to home or they are to hatable for that.

Example is of course dolores umrbige who dosent have any fandom no later pants, the malevolent marine in warhammer(who only strategy and philosphy is to be a dick as posible and to be hated by the Salamander, which is tie to the first point), Adam taurus from RWBY is a good example because the was before "he is a villian but maybe he have a good reason for what he does" then cut volume 3 "he much die in a hill" why? because he hurt Blake and Yang acting like bastard boyfriend.

So the same can be said about this: Monika have reason for is action, the MC just act like a dick toward sayuri and is really dumb when it come to club, so people have a hard time with him, even when I really sorry for him for seeing sayori.

The MC is only a jerk when people say he's a jerk.

He's extremely tactless when it comes t Sayori, that's about it.

Him being dumb is literally whatever.

Being tasteless to sayuri IS a issue considering that a) they both know each other and b)she is suffering from depression and he cant see it which make him look stupid, it dosent helpt he have other chararteristic that people have come to hate about harem and visual novel protagonist: being self center, lazy, uncaring about the stuff and other, which is worst because the game dosent give him anything positive to said since it pretty much ditch him in act 2 onwards.

Not seeing someone has depression immediately doesn't make someone stupid, but everything else is...yes.

Maybe not but it does make you unlikable, specially if that person is someone close to you.

Which it goes back, Monika have agency and reasons, the MC dosent have one and no reason for being so dense.

Not recognizing depression is someone who's deliberately hiding it doesn't make someone unlikable, what kind of logic is that?

Seriously, you people act like Sayori spent the whole time on screen yelling "I HAVE DEPRESSION, SOMEONE HELP ME" while the MC just kept wondering why she was yelling like that.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Dec 22nd 2018 at 2:07:14 PM

It's more that people act like characters should always just know stuff...

There's a lot of stories where a character like Sayori hides their depression or something...but there's always someone close to them who just knows anyway.

He at least wants to help her, he just doesn't know how...

Edited by randomness4 on Dec 22nd 2018 at 11:16:36 AM

As for MC "Being a dick to sayori" some of the stuff he says is insensitive or potentially hurtful, but it's within the range of what is normal for friends like that anyway. The way Sayori talks about how MC takes care of her shows that he really does care about her.

He doesn't really have a way of knowing that what he says might be hurting Sayori because she never shows it to anyone, especially to him. I still don't even believe his words hurt her most of the time, because it seems like she was only genuinely happy when she was with him, up until friday when she started to fall apart. I think her fall was entirely driven by Monika's tampering, and nothing MC said or did was a factor. I'm a little bias because i never found mc terrible. At all.

Oh well this mc comic is interesting despite being months old.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DDLC/comments/88fruz/cheer_up_mc/?sort=confidence