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rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (USA) (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#26: Aug 29th 2017 at 4:26:25 PM

ExxonMobil refineries are damaged in Hurricane Harvey, releasing hazardous pollutants

ExxonMobil acknowledged Tuesday that Hurricane Harvey damaged two of its refineries, causing the release of hazardous pollutants.

The acknowledgment, in a regulatory filing with the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, follows repeated complaints on Twitter of an “unbearable” chemical smell over parts of Houston. However, it was not immediately clear what caused the smell.

ExxonMobil said in the filings that a floating roof covering a tank at the company’s Baytown oil refinery sank in heavy rains, dipping below the surface of oil or other material stored there and causing unusually high emissions, especially of volatile organic compounds, a category of regulated chemicals.

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#27: Aug 29th 2017 at 5:00:02 PM

Even in visiting hurricane-ravaged Texas, Trump keeps the focus on himself

As rescuers continued their exhausting and heartbreaking work in southeastern Texas on Tuesday afternoon, as the rain continued to fall and a reservoir near Houston spilled over, President Trump grabbed a microphone to address hundreds of supporters who had gathered outside a firehouse near Corpus Christi and were chanting: “USA! USA! USA!”

‘Thank you, everybody,” the president said, sporting one of the white “USA” caps that are being sold on his campaign website for $40. “I just want to say: We love you. You are special. . . . What a crowd. What a turnout.”

While Trump’s top aides gathered with Vice President Pence at the White House over the weekend, Trump video conferenced in. On Saturday, he wore a white campaign hat. On Sunday, he opted for a red version. As of Tuesday evening, both hats — which feature “USA” on the front, “45” on a side and “Trump” in the back — were being sold on Trump’s campaign website, prompting ethics watchdogs to accuse the president of trying to profit off the crisis.

Trump sported one of the same hats again Tuesday as he ventured to Texas for a visit that some critics argue should have been delayed until the rain had stopped and the flooding had gone down. He was accompanied by first lady Melania Trump, who wore towering black stilettos and a green bomber jacket as she departed Washington but changed into bright-white sneakers and a black cap labeled “FLOTUS” before stepping off the plane in Texas. An aide carried two Louis Vuitton suitcases aboard for the day trip.

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#28: Aug 29th 2017 at 6:00:39 PM

[up]Unless he's actually doing something noteworthy, I think it might be best not to bring up Trump in this particular threat. If he's not doing anything for or against us, he's not important.

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#29: Aug 29th 2017 at 6:02:29 PM

Well, he ostensibly visited to survey the damage, and ended up talking about himself. I'd say it's relevant in how irrelevant it is.

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#30: Aug 29th 2017 at 6:07:03 PM

I agree with keeping commentary about Trump in the US Politics thread for now, leaving this one for damage reports, weather reports, emergency services, etc.

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#31: Aug 29th 2017 at 6:32:02 PM

Here's a link to what Swanpride mentioned earlier about Trump hesitating to accept help from Mexico:

Hurricane Harvey: Donald Trump has not accepted Mexico's offer to help Houston flooding victims

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#32: Aug 29th 2017 at 10:59:16 PM

How Houston's unregulated growth contributed to Harvey's flooding disaster - that city apparently is super flood-prone and yet kept growing with a blithe disregard of flood safety.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#33: Aug 30th 2017 at 2:48:51 AM

[up]What flabbergasts me is the total lack of zoning laws in and around Houston. Which... not just contributed to the uncontrolled mushrooming with its non-porous effects, but also the risk of industrial pollutants meeting residential areas with or without a flood aiding and abetting things.

That's a lot of disaster waiting to happen. :/

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34: Aug 30th 2017 at 3:07:29 AM

More or less everything about this flabbergasts me.

I am used to: 1. dangerous industry being kept away from populated areas. 2. Proper zoning overall. 3. Strict rules how much of a lot one can build on. 4. Paired with a law which ensures that you have to pay higher taxes for the canalisation for every bit of your ground which is covered (thus discouraging people from just covering up their ground because they don't want to do their lawn work).

Looking at Houston I am wondering what the city planers were thinking.

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#35: Aug 30th 2017 at 4:32:38 AM

From what I know, Houston used other processes to regulate building but evidently they didn't prevent bad zoning. The "regulation bad" mentality at play I guess.

Then again, the US also has numerous examples of overregulation, typically owing to NIMBY or homeowners enriching themselves. California is a commonly cited example.

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#36: Aug 30th 2017 at 8:17:36 AM

Also, fatalities now number in the 30 and Harvey has reached Louisiana but the flooding so far is limited to Texas (now in Port Arthur).

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#37: Aug 30th 2017 at 1:42:38 PM

Mayor Of Port Arthur, Texas, Streams Video From Inside His Flooded Home

"We got some water, y'all. Harvey wasn't playing," says Mayor Derrick Freeman of Port Arthur, Texas, in a video that shows knee-deep water inside his house. He's far from alone: A large shelter in the coastal city was flooded by rainfall dumped by Tropical Storm Harvey.

At least 100 people had sought refuge at the Bob Bower Civic Center — only to see brown, murky water rush in, flooding a large space and leaving water just below the surface of cots.

Harvey's Deadly Toll: The Victims Of Texas' Devastating Floods THE TWO-WAY Harvey's Deadly Toll: The Victims Of Texas' Devastating Floods That development happened overnight, as Port Arthur and other communities struggled to cope with the amount of water they received.

"Our whole city is underwater right now but we are coming! If you called, we are coming," Freeman wrote shortly after midnight, via Facebook. "Please get to higher ground if you can, but please try stay out of attics."

The city, which is about 45 miles west of where Harvey made landfall again today, says that the Carl Parker Center is now accepting people who need shelter — but it warns, "There are no supplies at the facility at this time."

As waters rose overnight, rescue workers also contended with an apartment fire and lightning, Freeman said.

"Currently the 911 system is overloaded with calls from Port Arthur," the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department said around 4:30 a.m., in a note that also told residents that water rescue operations were suspended until daylight. The agency would take calls and forward information to those who could help, it said.

"Our heart is breaking for our community and we trying to help in as many ways as possible," the sheriff's department said in a message posted shortly before midnight.

On Wednesday, Freeman used a live-streamed video on Facebook to tell residents in his city southeast of Beaumont that fire personnel, air boats, volunteers and the National Guard are working to help. Port Arthur has a population of around 55,000.

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#38: Aug 30th 2017 at 7:08:51 PM

The owner of Arkema chemical plant in Crosby says the plant is going to explode and there is no way to prevent it after the floods.

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#40: Aug 30th 2017 at 7:29:03 PM

Here's the CNBC article on that chemical plant: Arkema: No way to prevent explosion at flooded Texas chemical plant

Richard Rowe, CEO of the North America unit, told reporters that chemicals on the site will catch fire and explode if they are not properly cooled, and that Arkema expects that to happen within the next six days as temperatures rise. He said the company has no way to prevent that because the plant is swamped by about six feet of water.

Rowe said the company was "comfortable" with the size of the evacuation zone.

Rowe did not disclose the volume of chemicals on the site and said it was speculative to predict how much damage the plant could sustain. He said there could be an "intense fire" that would result in significant black smoke but would not pose any "long-term harm or impact."

Somehow I find that bolded part hard to believe.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#42: Aug 31st 2017 at 12:06:09 AM

Godzilla? If the MCU needs an origin for the Swamp thing, there it is!

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#43: Aug 31st 2017 at 12:14:59 AM

Swamp Thing is a DC creation, not Marvel.

But seriously, chemical fires are dangerous as hell. And I don't like how the CEO was cagey about how much was actually stored there.

edited 31st Aug '17 12:15:23 AM by M84

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#44: Aug 31st 2017 at 1:14:25 AM

He might not know, can't be national guard be mobilised to secure the place and prevent an explosion?

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#45: Aug 31st 2017 at 1:15:31 AM

Unless they have some way of keeping the entire place chilled, they have no way to prevent it.

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#46: Aug 31st 2017 at 1:17:15 AM

Can't they either move the chemical in mobile cooling units to somewhere safe or simply use the on site cooling facilities?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#47: Aug 31st 2017 at 1:20:27 AM

The facility stores peroxides and methyl propene, all highly explosive but not much health hazards beyond that. Sulfur dioxide is but more an irritant.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48: Aug 31st 2017 at 1:51:03 AM

I might have confused the name - there is Swamp Thing and Swamp—-something else and one is owned by Marvel and one by DC - but the character is actually a Marvel creation. One of the few cases where the DC take came later.

Anyway, does anyone know if help from Texas will now come or not? I kind of lost track of this story....

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#49: Aug 31st 2017 at 1:53:07 AM

[up] That would be Man-Thing, who is from Marvel.

And if you're asking about Mexico helping Texas...here's a recent story:

Mexico's Red Cross delivers aid to storm-ravaged Houston

edited 31st Aug '17 1:53:58 AM by M84

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#50: Aug 31st 2017 at 3:36:50 AM

CNN just broke that the chemical facility referred to above has exploded and is now producing smoke, which is hopefully non-toxic.

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