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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#51: Sep 4th 2018 at 11:46:20 AM

I only know him as Superman, as which he didn't really impress me.

But I won't be too judgemental before I see anything.

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#52: Sep 4th 2018 at 11:49:11 AM

I thought Cavil was great in the role written for him as Superman... it just wasn't a very good Superman.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#53: Sep 4th 2018 at 12:03:53 PM

Well even that aside, Cavill is a wee bit too young and handsome for Geralt.

But hey, maybe the make-up will be great.

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TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#54: Sep 4th 2018 at 12:06:26 PM

Cavill also kicked ass in Mission: Impossible – Fallout.

Actually, didn't he do a campaign to be Geralt a few months back?

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#56: Sep 4th 2018 at 3:42:28 PM

Angry Joe seems pretty excited:

Cavill wouldn't have been my first choice, but I'm kind of warming up to the idea. I could see him as a somewhat younger version of Geralt.

Who would you like for the other characters? I've seen people suggest Eva Green as Yennefer, which I'd be pretty cool with.

Still a great "screw depression" song even after seven years.
Ryno_v Since: Dec, 2017
#57: Sep 4th 2018 at 8:20:13 PM

[up]My first thought when I saw Superman is going to be Geralt wait so Nicolas Cage is going to be Geralt.

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#58: Sep 9th 2018 at 8:48:35 AM

A Rumored Casting Call Has Some Members of the Witcher Fandom Freaking Out

Posted on the website for the National Youth Theatre in the United Kingdom, the casting call, for the upcoming Netflix Witcher TV series based on the books by Andrzej Sapkowski, is reportedly seeking a teenager to play Cirilla, a young orphan whose actually fate involves royalty and potent magic. Ciri’s story here seems immensely similar to other versions of the character, with one difference. According to the castling call, which may or may not be legitimate, Netflix is looking for a “BAME” actress, which stands for “Black, Asian, and other non-white minority ethnic” actress. If this is accurate, Netflix is looking to cast Ciri as a young person of color.

News of this hit the fandom yesterday, and it has become a bit of a mess. The Witcher sub-reddit has been buzzing with posts about the call, with prominent posts calling the decision to cast Ciri as non-white “racist” and overly political, and suggesting that it contradicts earlier statements from the showrunner, Lauren S. Hissrich, who once said that she wouldn’t change character’s background or gender because she was, quote, “feeling ‘liberal’ that day.” The backlash amongst the community has been so bad that today moderators consolidated it into a single, contentious mega-thread.

This isn’t the first time The Witcher has encountered controversy due to issues related to race. After the release of The Witcher 3 video game, many audience members noticed that there were very few, if many, people of color among the cast and the various world non-player characters. It became a notable concern regarding the game, with many critics calling the decision whitewashing, citing broad representation concerns as well the presence of people of color in the historical Middle Ages the series’ fantasy world is based on and the existence of Middle-Eastern-analogue nations in the Continent of the game’s fiction.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#59: Sep 9th 2018 at 8:51:35 AM

IIRC you do meet some non-white people in the DLC for Wild Hunt.

I'm suprised that they picked Ciri for the change, since that's one of the few characters who's parentage is kind of difficult to change without changing a lot of others.

Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Sep 9th 2018 at 3:52:15 PM

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#60: Sep 9th 2018 at 11:27:10 AM

[up]Agreed. I don't particularly care but Ciri's bloodline is a plot point. As long as that part is consistent, I welcome an actress of any race.

Idris Elba for Emhyr!

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#61: Sep 9th 2018 at 7:57:31 PM

Yeah, I don't see it for Ciri unless they want to change the entire setting.

Damn near anyone else sure, even Geralt.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#62: Sep 10th 2018 at 8:50:12 AM

Geralt would actually be one of the easiest to change, since he's a foundling who was dropped at Caer Morhen as a baby. Though a lot of people would get up in arms about it, if they got a good actor it would die down. Like how people were initially mad that Idris Elba was playing Roland in The Dark Tower (2017), but got over it when they saw him in action. Of course, it turned out Idris Elba was one of the only good things about that movie, but still.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#63: Sep 10th 2018 at 9:03:53 AM

[up] Isn't Geralt technically an albino, though?

And about The Dark Tower - the one valid criticism I've seen was somebody pointing out that Roland being white was actually a relevant plot point, mainly as a driving force behind the conflict between him and Detta Walker in the second book. Detta was heavily prejudiced against white people and tries to actually murder Roland's other companion Eddie at the end of the book before she and the character's other split personality essentially merge into a new one. But if I recall correctly, they only adapted the first book in the movie, so anything after that probably wasn't relevant.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 10th 2018 at 6:19:00 PM

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#64: Sep 10th 2018 at 9:25:45 AM

nvm misread

Edited by Memers on Sep 10th 2018 at 11:06:06 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#65: Sep 10th 2018 at 11:12:59 AM

Being a Witcher does not make you an albino.

Gerlat's hair and skin are explained away as a result of further experimentation post Trial of the Grasses.

It's why other Witchers have more conventional skin and hair tones.

Edited by ArthurEld on Sep 10th 2018 at 2:22:26 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#66: Sep 10th 2018 at 11:48:06 AM

Anyways, in the books Ciri has often been described as easily passing as Geralt's own daughter.

An asian or black Ciri wouldn't do that in comparison to Henry Cavill.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#67: Sep 10th 2018 at 12:04:41 PM

So?

Ciri looking like Geralt has nothing to do with the plot.

Geralt can view someone with a different skin tone as his surrogate child, you know.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#68: Sep 11th 2018 at 7:52:07 AM

There's a difference between you seeing someone else as your surrogate child and the child being able to pass for it.

There are far, far more prescient problems with changing Ciri's appearance anyway; that is just another one of them.

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#69: Sep 11th 2018 at 10:53:27 AM

Keep in mind it's little more than a rumor of a rumor at this point. Someone is just trying to get clicks.

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#71: Sep 12th 2018 at 3:26:57 AM

Fandoms are really starting to turn into a shitfest and I don't know what's going to happen when this eventually implodes.

Honestly, with how bad this shit is getting... what happens if a big name takes their life over backlash like this? And don't think I'm being over dramatic here, because there are literally hundreds of news stories of high schoolers and middle schoolers taking their lives over less.

When will this nonsense of harassing people over fandom bullshit stop?

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#72: Sep 12th 2018 at 6:13:33 AM

I love how people claim not to be racist while claiming that it's "disrespecting the canon" to change the race of a character. Here's a hint: that's racist as hell, every single time. (That said, there is a separate problem with having canonically ethnic characters portrayed by white actors.)

I just stumbled upon this thread; I had no idea Netflix was making a Witcher series. I think I'll give it a chance. I don't care who they pick to play Ciri, as long as they do a good job.

Video game adaptations suffer from several handicaps out of the gate. I think it's a mistake for them to be too slavish to the canon of the original material, because video games and films/TV shows have fundamentally different narrative structure and focus. Are we going to be made to sit through Geralt reading a history book on the series' lore, something he already knows In-Universe, just to clue in the audience? Are we going to see him picking every odd flower and leaf he walks past, sitting down and brewing potions, and drinking them before every battle? Of course not.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 12th 2018 at 10:26:09 AM

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#73: Sep 12th 2018 at 7:27:09 AM

[up] I could see some potential issues if they would also change the ethnicity of her dad though. What with Nilfgaard being borderline nazi-expies and whatnot.

[nja]The games are based on a book series, and the author is apparently involved in this project.

Edited by Corvidae on Sep 12th 2018 at 4:30:19 PM

Still a great "screw depression" song even after seven years.
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#74: Sep 12th 2018 at 7:28:06 AM

Actually, I just reread the OP, and this is an adaptation of the novels, not the games? Now that's interesting: I never read them; I only learned about them because of the games. So now I have absolutely no idea what to expect narratively. I deliberately avoided Game of Thrones in part due to Hype Aversion, so I wonder how this show will distinguish itself.

[up] In TW3 (can't speak to the novels, mind you), Nilfgaard is incredibly racist against nonhumans (and mages), but I didn't see any hints of ethnic racism within human cultures. Maybe it's because Fantastic Racism is a good way to make the same point without getting into thorny issues about skin color. Heck, it wouldn't make much sense In-Universe: why worry about such minor distinctions when you have way more different-looking people to hate?

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 12th 2018 at 10:33:24 AM

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#75: Sep 12th 2018 at 7:43:14 AM

[up]To be fair, I'm not super-familiar with the lore, but they are brutal imperialists with fancy black armor and German-sounding accents who practice slavery and genocide, and who invade a fantasy version of eastern Europe...

Still a great "screw depression" song even after seven years.

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