Platinum Games (MadWorld, Vanquish, Revengeance)

Really sucks on what PG wants.

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It depends on how it's done. I have no personal qualms against "Live Service Games" as long as it's not done in a scummy way.

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I wouldn't even know if there's even a good live service game given its reception. I really don't think it's a good idea for them to explore the genre.

If anything else, I would like them to delve into co-op since they already dabble into it but never committed to it.

Edited by agent-trunks on Feb 7th 2022 at 8:48:21 AM

I guess that also depends on what people mean by "Live Service Game." Broadly, it's any game with a pre-built expectation for extended support and content. If you mean "has a battle pass and maybe loot boxes," then yeah, fuck that noise.

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Their end goal has always been to be an independent publisher with their own IPs and creating a successful live service game will help them secure a constant source of revenue.

It would be nice if Platinum Games didn't have to worry about the budget anymore. A lot of their games Acclaimed Flop. Maybe they should get involved with Genshin Impact in some way?

Oh my lord no. No gacha Platinum Games. Resorting to gacha is like to pachinko, it's done when you lack the budget to be actually creative and they don't seem to be there yet

Really? Other than people despising it, I wasn't under the impression that a pachinko machine was harmful to the series? In comparison, DMC also had a pachinko machine & it turned out. Granted, I still remember people were pretty pissed off at the time & a lot of people thought it was supposed DMC 5.

A pachinko machine release usually means the devs are desperate for money (see SNK and other Japanese companies who went through sucb a phase).

Good thing Sega already made a pachinko machine for Platinum

This means Platinum is at least well funded, right?

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I always figure that was the case, but I never actually confirm it. Damn, I really do feel sorry for the rest of Konami's IPs.

Edited by agent-trunks on Feb 8th 2022 at 6:07:08 AM

...OMFG why is this the first I hear of a Bayonetta pachinko machine?

Ah, Konami. I'd much rather PG pitch a Revengeance 2 or, hell, a Zone of the Enders 3 (maybe whatever The Enders Project was going to be) to Konami rather than a possibly-scummy live service game.

I mean. Do we have any examples of non-scummy live-service games?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 8th 2022 at 2:25:01 PM

Again, it depends on how you define that. By most definitions, fighting games like Street Fighter V and MMOs like FFXIV qualify. Its a business model that's meant to extend the lifespan of a game by periodically releasing content (paid or otherwise) for an extended period of time after the initial release. Most encourage regular, daily play. But it seems like people just use it as shorthand for "has a battle pass and microtransactions."

Edited by Zeromaeus on Feb 8th 2022 at 12:54:00 PM

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The reason why so many people are cynical about Gaa S is because publishers see them as a free license to print money, but most of them fail (in part because they have to compete for other people's time with all the other Gaa S that got off the ground, and people can only play so many of those games that require such an investment of time) and all the promises of long-term support fall flat. It's even worse when companies assign Gaa S games to developers who aren't well suited in or have any experience with the model, which is what happened to Anthem and Avengers. Granted, there were arguably worse and deeper problems with why those games turned out to be bad, but there's a reason why people weren't confident about them when they were announced.

By Tencent yeah.

GAAS definitely is applying MMO structure of updates to non-MMO.

Oh no, don't use "gamer" narrative about Konami being desperate that their only source are pachislot stuff. It's a hilarious far cry from the truth. And I hope you don't mind my mini tangent about gamers suddenly "taking up arms" because they heard an eceleb talked about Konami making NFT... ignoring that their favorites like Capcom and SE also jumped in the board long before.

Edited by Ookamikun on Feb 8th 2022 at 5:54:34 PM

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MM Os are GAAS. The Trop Codifier I'd say, even. Anyway, again, there is litterally no confirmation that what Platinum means is a shift to your regular GAAS at all, so this is moot until we get a faithful translation of the interview.

In other news, Kamiya is interested in opening talks with Microsoft to see if Scalebound can be Un-Canceled.

Edited by Nouct on Feb 8th 2022 at 2:21:51 AM

If they can't get Scalebound maybe they can work together with Capcom again & use the RE Engine for another tile of King of Dragons. I have no idea why even I'm suggesting this?

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It sure would be nice to have a sequel to Revengeance. Although, I'm really not sure it can be pulled with MGR be held on such a pedestal that a Sequelitis is the only natural result of a hypothetical sequel.

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But that only reinforces my anxiety of the genre, or whatever proper term is. After SWTOR, I pretty much will never touch another MMO again & I just flat out despise the genre & SF 5 never really shock off that negative stigma it had since launch. Still, this is the best answer I'm hearing so I appreciate that. I don't know if it's all that broad definition but people keep using "has a battle pass and microtransactions" as the sole example.

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I don't know who those people are?

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From what I can tell, that's what live service games are at that point. Either way, I agree that until Platinum says otherwise, then we're worrying for nothing.

But they should still totally focus on a local co-op Stylish Action game like Shaolin Monks.

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Platinum needs to make a Sonic the Hedgehog game.

I only used Street Fighter V as an example since it had near to five years of DLC support. Almost every modern fighting game counts. The devs of King of Fighters XV have already mentioned second year DLC plans for the game and it isnt even out yet.

So this upcoming game is supposed to be Ultraman-ish. If they keep adding monsters and heroes after the game is released, it's a Live Service Game. Getting angry at the idea of LSGs is the same "all DLC is bad" arguement with a new buzzword attached. Battlepass + microtransactions is just an unfortunately common application of the model in recent years.

EDIT: Platinum needs to make Okami 2. Also Viewtuful Joe 3. Also God Hand 2. Also Devil May Cry X Bayonetta. Also MGR 2.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Feb 8th 2022 at 11:18:41 AM

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I would just like that in general, a Sonic Stylish Action game & Knuckles? That's day 1 buy for me.

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I suppose it would really depend on how it's handled but I can't say like the idea of paying to fight against bosses. Then again, I never really got into the Souls-like RPG genre so I don't even know if it could apply to Project GG. I'm also not even sure I'm even using the proper example for that matter.

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If we really do somehow get VJ 3, Okami 2, & GH 2 I wonder if they would do well & not in an Acclaimed Flop kind of way. Surely the idea of Platinum Games working with Capcom is appealing on its own, or at least the idea of DMC X Bayonetta being a thing?

Agent Trunks:

Tencent is a Chinese Video Game company known to have a lot of investment in other publishers like Platinum Games. They are controversial because of the controversies surrounding Chinese censorship of games/shows/movies.

You know, I have to wonder why Pit is obsessed with this site. It’s gonna ruin his life!

Tencent is a very large Chinese multimedia company.

Death is a companion. We should cherish Death as we cherish Life.

Thanks for the answers.

Is that also the company that had that one Bunny Girl guest star in Samsho?

There already are games that make you pay to fight bosses... for example, SMTV had on-launch several DLC which were mostly one-off dungeons. Not that it's a good thing. But I'd totally buy a quality Expansion Pack from Platinum, especially considering how well they have always pulled off postgame content. They are also known for basically fitting what would be DL Cs in other games in a base game (Astral Chain being one of the biggest examples).