The law in the night
Toupee holocaust!
Inter arma enim silent leges
A real bad hombre
Kind of feel like creating my own scenario because in all likelihood it ain't happening in reality.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
use political terms to describe, not insult
I was writing a reply in the politics thread to something about the economy of each state that spiraled out of control a bit, I'll put it here since I ended up making maps:
According to the percentages shown here
, if all the blue states from this election secede, it'd take a 49,1% of the US economy. Since, AFAIK South California would need to secure the Colorado river, you'd also have to convince (or annex) Utah and Arizona, escalating to 51,5%. If the states Trump won by less than 2% (FL, PA, MI, WI) have an attack of conscience/oh-god-don't-leave-us-here-with-these-maniacs, the secession would represent 64,5% of the US economy. And let's just add Alaska going with the west coast out of being locked out from the continental US if this happens for a 64,8% total. All of this goes without counting the very possible catastrophic implosion of the financial sector and the effects of blue state taxes propping up the red states' economy.
And I made a few paint maps, since I'm bored:
- Blue states out◊ (2 new countries, one for each coast; CO and NM secede to Mexico while IL and MN join Canada).
- California also takes Utah, Arizona and Alaska◊ (CO and NM now join the Californian republic, since they have a land connection).
- Swing States Panic◊ (the Midwest joins the Atlantic states cause I'm assuming the great lakes allow access to them, FL goes alone because I don't believe the Atlantic states can maintain safe contact with it)
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
@All Blue states out scenario: ... Almost 50% of the US economy rests in such a small portion of its total land area?! Are you serious???
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Destroyer of Worlds
Gonna correct some of those.
Utah would never join with California.
It'd end up being California, Nevada, Oregon and Washington. Arizona is getting more blue every year but if you can convince it come along then New Mexico and Colorado would join as well.
Florida would stick with the red states.
I think the only swing state that would join the east country would be Pennsylvania.
The Great Lakes Swing States might stick with Middle America or form its own country. Probably stick with America.
The rest would stay with America.
You'd essentially have California dominating the West Country, New York dominating the Northeast country and Texas dominating the leftovers of America.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
Why would Utah never join California?
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Destroyer of Worlds
@Marq Most of the red states are rural and poor as hell.
Only Texas and the the coastal southern states are rich.
Everywhere else is poor as hell.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
Destroyer of Worlds
Utah would never join California because it's extremely conservative and it's filled with religious Mormons.
California might as well be the anti-Christ state to Utah.
edited 27th Jan '17 6:10:33 PM by MadSkillz
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
A real bad hombre
I'm guessing that HI would either do its own thing or join the Pacific States
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
use political terms to describe, not insult
If there will be secessionist movements, and elements of the US military going with them, which elements of the military go with them? I mean, if there might be another US Civil War, which side will have the battle-hardened soldiers? And if there will be the issue on nuclear weapons, will every single unit in the US military armed with a nuclear weapon even side with the GOP-led government?
Hm. Sorry about this in advance, but I think I'm just gonna go batshit insane for the next minute or so...
In the year 20XX, humanity has been brought to it's knees on account of Trump's toupees mutating into horrific Chtulu montrosities due to nuclear war caused by Trump namecalling both the President of China and Putin as well accusing them of not having bigly hands over tweets and so now everyone is dead except for the toupees who are also super smart and are planning on building a device to bring back Trump in a robot body and then turn him into a YUUGE bigly super-duper-master toupee who will absorb all the other toupess and become a massive Donald-shaped toupee-man who will in turn create giant toupee tendrills to seep into the Earth and absorb it and turn into a massive giant sized toupee and — {Is shot}
...
A real bad hombre
I would have originally put all the Great Lakes states with the Northeast group but then I remembered that they're a large part of the reason why we have Trump in the first place. Then again, MN and IL (along with maybe WI and MI, possible PA) could easily go either do their own thing or link up with the Northeast. Florida is a can of worms, but I can't imagine it being easily defensible. I imagine that in this scenario the principle fronts would be in Arizona, Utah, and Colorado for control of the Colorado River (if CO and/or AZ join the PSA, this job becomes significantly easier for the PSA, but that still leaves the matter of Utah) The central-southeastern seaboard in Virginia and the Carolinas, and in the Ohio River basin.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Into Oblivion
Heh, I'm actually writing a book about Trumpism-inspired psychic Nazis rising up in America. That isn't quite what we're talking about though, so might as well throw in a more current scenario.
If Union states were to seccede (which is beyond unlikely), California would almost certainly go first. Their governor has already expressed his extreme distaste of the man. Now, could California survive on its own? Hell no. No one state is self-sufficient. So they need other states. They'd probably want it to have it be a single continuous country as well. Remember, isolated states are surrounded and easy targets.
So, if the West Coast states, Nevada, Arizona (very generous there) and New Mexico all left and became the New California Republic, could they win? Still hell no, unless they get the military on their side. A bunch of random civilians with guns is like bringing a squirt gun to a Death Star fight. They need the Army at least. And honestly? Even under Trump, they are some of the most patriotic men and women on the planet. History shows us that it takes a hell of a lot more than political differences to make an American soldier turn on his own nation.
It would still do damage, of course. The American Civil War was the bloodiest conflict in American history in terms of US casualties, including World War II. Technology has advanced infinitely since then. It would hurt, a lot.
tl;dr: They won't make it, but they'll give America a black eye.
please call me "XionKuriyama" or some variation, thanks! | What is the good deed that you can do right now?
A wandering user
I think you should rename my scenario as Earth Warriors: Backstory.
The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
A real bad hombre
I know that none of this shit will actually happen in real life, but it makes for an interesting story scenario.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
A wandering user
Yeah...
But tell me, which of the current scenarios do you find the most interesting so far?
The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
use political terms to describe, not insult
Utah would have been more or less dragged into the pacific union out of being almost surrounded by it and to secure the Colorado river
◊.
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
@Luigisan98: "Earth Warriors", huh? I thought "The 40-Months Conflict" was catchy, but if you insist...
RE Utah: What if Trump decided to crack down on Mormons just for being Mormons?
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
And the coastal states don't exactly have a preponderance of military power waiting. Much of the military comes from the South (abut 44% in 2013)
, about 16% come form the west, including California, and 4% each from New York and all of New England. Sure there's logistics and asymmetric warfare, but that'll ruin the states and probably lead to the rise of autocrats in those states anyway. Plus the fundamental truth, best outlined in this comment on that California story:
The last gleaming bits of American culture are behind shiny walls, where residents of gated communities and their well-nourished and healthy children cordon themselves off from the outside world. They scoot about inside their gated community, competing to drive the best-equipped golf carts and have the latest foreign cars in their driveway. It's a ritual to wash it every morning.
Every night they visit the house of their wealthiest neighbor, inevitably the controlling shareholder (i.e. the boss), pay homage in gifts, and gossip about how much stock they have in their automated factories and how much they sell overseas. The managers, are slightly inferior in rank for they own no stock, but they chat and flatter the most. Their place at the table of success depends upon it. (The few technicians that watch the machines never get invited to these things, but they know well to bring gifts to the managers every work week). Every once in a while, someone nods soberly at a story that desperate mobs attacked a supply truck on a surface street.
Women never speak at these dinners, and in fact stay unseen in the kitchens. They're rarely seen outside in fact. "Not safe" is what they always say to BBC reporters. Of course, homophiles do not exist still less the other LGB Ts. When the big boss talks about his form of Christianity you nod and follow whatever he says. The smarter supplicants will have studied him and know to shout verse on cue—but never correct him when he misspeaks. Similarly the wise will do everything to imply their families came from Germany or England. The Irish and Poles are quickly losing placement in the White Caste. And everyone will nod and smile in awe the 112th time they hear the boss recount his story of how his family came over on the Mayflower and settled an empty land, civilizing the natives and even discovering the settlements that ancient angels had tried to build them. Families have been competing for pedigree ever since Texas came out with its revised history. And your boss keeps you in the upper crust. Why contradict him?
The lower families never know if passed or not. If a family stays in the network, it goes on to drive golf carts and admire its cars and pay homage to the boss. If not, they suddenly find themselves deprived of stock or duty and the wiser ones skip town before their next rent is due, disappearing into the new America. The remainder though are content, because "f*** you got mine" is the law of the land...
*The First folder isn't anything (as it says). I just can't get the first folder to ever open.
edited 28th Jan '17 5:47:10 AM by CenturyEye
Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Much of the military comes from the South (abut 44% in 2013)
But have those troops been battle-hardened? Also, aren't there the troops abroad? Not only that, anti-GOP elements in the US military wouldn't be enough. For extra numbers, you'll need to recruit from the following:
1. Various activist groups, mainly from Black Lives Matter and various LGBTQ organizations.
2. Volunteers from various countries, ala the International Brigades from the Spanish Civil War.
edited 28th Jan '17 8:27:45 AM by HallowHawk
A real bad hombre
In My Dumb World that is slowly taking shape, I've got the following blocs right now. This is just a general Divided States and certainly not something that is supposed to reflect reality in any way.
- Pacific States: CA, OR, WA, NV
- Central States: TX, OK, KS, MO, IA, NE, SD, ND, MT, UT, ID
- Southern States:FL, GA, AL, AR, LA, MS, SC,'''
- Great Lakes States: IL, MI, WI, MN'''
- Northeast States:ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, RI, NY, (Parts of upstate claimed by Great Lakes), NJ, MD
- Contested between Pacific and Central: AZ, CO, NM
- Contested between Central and Southern:KY, TN,WV
- Contested between Northeast and Southern:VA,NC,DC
- Contested between Great Lakes and Central:IN
- Contested between Great Lakes, Northeast and Central:OH, PA
Actually, I might just ditch any connection to Trump and keep this scenario for future use.
edited 28th Jan '17 6:25:00 PM by LinkToTheFuture
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Honestly, I think rather than going off on it's own, Minnesota might just join up with Canada. Hell, we might as well be spiritual brothers already as far as the rest of the country's concerned.
Cape Malleum Majorem
Overall, Pennsylvania is more purple than either all red or all blue. In the urban areas, you have significant concentrations of Democratic voters, but anywhere else they tend to be die-hard Republicans.
You can almost say that there are two Pennsylvanias: the major cities (Philadelphia, Pittsburg, Harrisburg, etc.) and the rural areas (composed of large farming regions in the south and coal mining country in the north). We often call the latter "Pennsyl-tucky."
A hypothetical scenario might go so far as to see Pennsylvania broken up into two or more regions siding with different factions.
edited 28th Jan '17 7:27:05 PM by pwiegle
This Space Intentionally Left Blank.
First off, a rather lengthy introduction to provide context.
Now, recently, the last point had inevitably led to some of us deciding, for one reason or another, to think up hypothetical scenarios in which Trump's presidency does indeed lead to a major crisis erupting in the USA (be it a new civil war or some other kind of national/global crisis)... and then yours truly suggested making a dedicated thread for discussing such scenarios, since an OTC thread is not really the best place for that. Said suggestion was deemed reasonable by a staff member.
So, here we are: Second American Civil War and other crisis scenarios - The Trump Factor.
This thread is for civilized discussion of hypothetical scenarios that involve any kind of major crisis — national or international — resulting from a dysfunctional presidency under Donald Trump, including but not limited to:
For convenience's sake, here is a list of the posts that described the three recently-made scenarios which set off the creation of this thread. Titles for scenarios other than my own are currently tentative, pending feedback from the original authors. Details may change to one degree or another with subsequent posts, which may eventually make the links below obsolete for anything but posterity.
Finally, a much needed warning that may sound repetitive but cannot be stressed enough: Debates (or worse, petty arguments and rants) that are purely over real-life US politics — including Donald Trump's (un)fitness for being POTUS — is verboten here; you should take it to The General US Politics Thread
instead.
edited 28th Jan '17 3:10:49 AM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.