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Why the Right always is worse than the left even at being bad? Like, the worst Left (Stalin) is still barely better than worse Right (Hitler). And unlike Stalin, there nobody saying that Hitler wasn't a "true fascist" because he was.
Why? Is like, is hard criticize the Left because the Right is always worse and you're forced to do a Enemy Mine even thought you despite them.
You're non-white? Now you have to ally with Socialists to get basic human respect.
Why Left is defined as basically every type of Human basic decency? Is really hard to criticize them for some details because their enemies are always worse.
Like, you can say that the lazy idealist socialist (don't mistake with the edgy one) is alledgy well intentioned while the ancap is actively selfish.
There many stupid things in anarchism, but you have to agree that it's right wing alternative is worse.
I really hate the division of Left and Right. I really hate how it work. It really don't make sense when every type of progress is associated to a single movement.
That's why I miss the Crazy Left. At least it allowed us to criticize it without having to do a Enemy Mine with them.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 14th 2018 at 10:34:33 AM
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This should probably move to the general politics thread, but to try to answer the plain old right is largely about maintaining, or strengthening the status quo, and the status quo is often pretty shit to a lot of people. To want to maintain the status quo is to at least accept that a lot of shitty things are going to happen to a lot of people, and that’s even before getting into want to roll the status quo back to an earlier worse one.
@Mio: No leftist has to defend every single left-wing government in history, if Chomsky is set out to, it just shows you're a rabid partisan and have a very black and white morality in a grey world.
His influence, however, doesn't seem to be gaining much traction among millenials. I think that is due to the fact the times have changed, in his time you had to choose between the US or the Soviet Union, with Chomsky going for the latter, not anymore in a more multipolar globe.
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Very fair point, Chomsky being a useful idiot is entirely on him and his apologist ilk.
This too is fair, he's the perfect personification of the leftists who love anything America hates and vice versa.
Not really the same thing, socialists at-least claim to care about equality and human rights. An-Caps are rather clear about their contempt for anything that gets in the way of markets, so it makes perfect sense that they would support a free-market supporter who murdered people who wanted to regulate it.
Socialists supporting Marxist-Leninists are hypocrites while an-caps supporting Pinochet are just being honest about their ideology.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 14th 2018 at 3:01:41 PM
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Fair point. Albeit, I'm now wondering which is the Right Wing equivalent of Socialism, as "ideology that sounds nice"?
Or just it don't have one?
Uh. I find politics being both interesting and boring at this point.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 14th 2018 at 2:10:02 PM
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Or just it don't have one?
Probably American Libertarianism, the extreme one's are just ancaps but there are moderates who just don't like authority or want to smoke weed.
Those one's can sometimes describe at-least vaguely nice sounding utopias.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 14th 2018 at 3:08:58 PM
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Uh. That's right. The Ancaps are the equivalent of Communists while the Weed Libertarians are the equivalent of the Weed Socialists.
Left and Right. Finally united thanks to to weed.
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Don't forget the Commie Nazis. The perfect moderate extremists...or extremists moderates???
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Nah, they're just double extremists.
Formerly G.G.
I really don't want to support those ideologies especially when you consider the fundamental problems of Socialism and Communism........I really want to be apolitical but I cannot ignore everything around me.
"Eratoeir is a Gangsta."
Apoliticism is a myth, everyone has political positions they believe in and those who believe they are somehow above politics are simply defenders of the status-quo or otherwise especially political.
For example, do you support democracy? If you answer this with a yes or no then congratulations you aren't apolitical. Same with any other question regarding social or economic policy.
Politics can never be escaped and if you want to try then it might be beneficial to ask yourself why? Because friend you may not care about politics but I can guarantee that politics cares about you, and that care need not be benevolent.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 14th 2018 at 6:01:29 AM
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Formerly G.G.
I suppose you are right.
Edit: It also looks I need to reevaluate myself and my belief system.........
Edited by GAP on Sep 14th 2018 at 3:24:50 AM
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This is actually kind of hilarious.
Millennials Are Causing the U.S. Divorce Rate to Plummet [1]
New data show younger couples are approaching relationships very differently from baby boomers, who married young, divorced, remarried and so on. Generation X and especially millennials are being pickier about who they marry, tying the knot at older ages when education, careers and finances are on track. The result is a U.S. divorce rate that dropped 18 percent from 2008 to 2016, according to an analysis by University of Maryland sociology professor Philip Cohen. Demographers already knew the divorce rate was falling, even if the average American didn’t. Their question, however, was why? And what do current trends mean for the marital prospects of today’s newlyweds?
One theory is that divorce rates are falling largely because of other demographic changes—especially an aging population. Older people are less likely to get divorced, so maybe mellowing boomers were enough to explain the trend. Cohen’s analysis of U.S. Census Bureau survey data, however, suggests something more fundamental is at work. Even when he controls for factors such as age, the divorce rate over the same period still dropped 8 percent.
“The change among young people is particularly striking,” Susan Brown, a sociology professor at Bowling Green State University, said of Cohen’s results. “The characteristics of young married couples today signal a sustained decline [in divorce rates] in the coming years.”
Young people get the credit for fewer divorces because boomers have continued to divorce at unusually high rates, all the way into their 60s and 70s. From 1990 to 2015, according to Bowling Green’s National Center for Family and Marriage Research, the divorce rate doubled for people aged 55 to 64, and even tripled for Americans 65 and older. Cohen’s results suggest this trend, called “grey divorce,” may have leveled out in the past decade, but boomers are still divorcing at much higher rates than previous generations did at similar ages.
“One of the reasons for the decline is that the married population is getting older and more highly educated,” Cohen said. Fewer people are getting married, and those who do are the sort of people who are least likely to get divorced, he said. “Marriage is more and more an achievement of status, rather than something that people do regardless of how they’re doing.”
Many poorer and less educated Americans are opting not to get married at all. They’re living together, and often raising kids together, but deciding not to tie the knot. And studies have shown these cohabiting relationships are less stable than they used to be.
Fewer divorces, therefore, aren’t only bad news for matrimonial lawyers but a sign of America’s widening chasm of inequality. Marriage is becoming a more durable, but far more exclusive, institution
Edited by megaeliz on Sep 25th 2018 at 11:32:39 AM
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This proves that my mom was right.
If people just waited and decided if marrying was good. They would stay married.
This is a sort of Decon-Recon Switch about Marriage?
Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 25th 2018 at 11:01:48 AM
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It would be interesting to know the backgrounds in regards to divorce amongst the younger generations in more detail (not just the economics, but the social background). Are there bigger rates of divorce amongst Protestant/post-Protestant, compared to Catholic/lapsed Catholic couples? Are there bigger rates of divorce amongst white couples, black couples, or interracial couples?
And so on and so forth.
"Apoliticism is a myth, everyone has political positions they believe in and those who believe they are somehow above politics are simply defenders of the status-quo or otherwise especially political.
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Ok Is time to talk about this because in general it just really means nothing at all and a way to be cleaver "politics cant be escape because....everyone have a opinion about it!"
having a opinion in politics in general dosent no mean being engage in politics, most people exist in this nebulous area were they agree with stuff but dont really care because they take it for granted.
Im saying this because it feel is very reductionist way to look politics.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
having a opinion in politics in general dosent no mean being engage in politics, most people exist in this nebulous area were they agree with stuff but dont really care because they take it for granted.
Im saying this because it feel is very reductionist way to look politics.
What's reductive is reducing "engaging with politics" to only direct actions like voting or calling your representative. When anyone publicly expresses a political opinion they're engaging in politics albeit often indirectly, thus my position that no-one is truly apolitical is just as correct.
Note that I didn't say that everyone is equally political, the differences between a fairly indifferent layperson and a professional activist are obviously stark. But it's question of degrees rather than a binary between political and apolitical.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
"thus my position that no-one is truly apolitical is just as correct."
by all efect they are, having a posicion means more than just having a opinion on something, that is people really means by being apolitical: they do stuff and act unware(or uncaring) about major stuff as a whole.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Some analysts are saying the later half of generation z may be the most conservative since the 40s, if this is true than does anyone have any idea why?
Edited by Kaiseror on Nov 15th 2018 at 8:08:07 AM
Oh, bother.
Is this related to that same bullshit poll that keeps being revived here?
Besides, what are they even talking about when they say "conservative"? More careful with spending money or something?
Edited by M84 on Nov 15th 2018 at 10:10:48 PM
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It’s not true, the end.
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@Kaiseror: Nice to know they corrected themselves to only mean the second half of generation Z now that they can't claim it's the whole generation (given how everywhere in the west, except France, they've been voting for the more left-wing options in elections).
By the way, you've posted this exact same question back in September and we all answered it. I was hoping I didn't start to imagine things now.
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Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 14th 2018 at 5:23:59 PM
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