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A thread for discussing representation and diversity in all kinds of media. This covers creators and casting decisions as well as characters and in-universe discussions.

Historical works and decisions are in-scope as well, not just recent news.

Please put any spoilers behind tags and clearly state which work(s) they apply to.

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For discussing any racial, gender, and orientation misdoings happening across various movies and the film industry today.

This week, producer Ross Putnam started a Twitter account called "femscriptintros", where he puts up examples of how women are introduced in the screenplays he's read. And nearly all of sound like terrible porn or are too concerned with emphasizing said lady is beautiful despite whatever traits she may have. Here's a Take Two podcast made today where he talks about it.


(Edited April 19 2024 to add mod pinned post)

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 19th 2024 at 11:45:51 AM

Dhiruxide Since: Dec, 2016
#20251: Mar 22nd 2019 at 8:12:07 AM

I find it funny (not in laughing way) that when it came to classic DOOM, they chose the fat white guy, made him muscular and the face of classic DOOM.

Imagine how it would've been if it was Lorelei Chen (the first character choice in DOOM Bible, the asian chick) or John Pietrovich (the black guy) or Thi Barret (the redheaded chick) were the main characters in classic DOOM... altho for Chen, she was supposed to be the muscle chick. I... have a thing for that. Eh.

Once again, I hope there's a Phobosguy skin in DOOM Eternal. in Quake 3, Phobos is essentially an orange armored black Doomguy. I'm a big fan :P

Or Crash, Doom's military instructor (also from Quake 3).

Edited by Dhiruxide on Mar 22nd 2019 at 4:16:19 PM

Heatth from Brasil Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#20252: Mar 22nd 2019 at 8:22:08 AM

Spider-Woman's in the same boat. She is 100% a different brand from Spider-Man, having literally nothing to do with him outside of also having a "Spider" in the name. But because she's named "Spider-Woman", people have been talking for the better part of a decade about how she can't have a movie until Marvel gets the Spider-Man rights back.

But does she having nothing to do with Spider-Man in universe translate to her movie rights not being tied to him? I wish that is the case, else she is still stuck with Sony, but I suspect it is not, unfortunately. So I think she might be stuck to Sony regardless (the deal with Marvel only include Spider-Man movies, right? Everything else is still produced by Sony).

Edited by Heatth on Mar 22nd 2019 at 12:22:55 PM

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#20253: Mar 22nd 2019 at 8:29:16 AM

Doom was a product of the 90s so if we had a female it would be a contemporary to Lara Croft. But that would sacrifice the Marine face and you wouldn't to sacrifice this smile would you?

As for the movie, i guess it will be another case of Video Game Movies Suck and everyone will move on. It's just so happens that they used a female MC, so anti-wokeness crowd will definitely go after that aspect because they have to do something with their lives.

Uni cat
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#20254: Mar 22nd 2019 at 8:29:45 AM

[up][up]Pretty sure the case with her is that Marvel can adapt Jessica Drew whenever they want but would need Sony’s approval for the name “Spider-Woman”, while Sony can make a film titled “Spider-Woman” but would need Marvel’s approval to adapt Jessica Drew.

Also, we met Rosa’s girlfriend on the latest Brooklyn 99, and she’s played by Cameron Esposito!

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 22nd 2019 at 8:35:53 AM

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#20255: Mar 22nd 2019 at 8:40:33 AM

... Marvel should absolutely release Julia Carpenter Spider-Woman movie. Call her Arachne (her second codename).

And they better as hell use this costume.

Edited by Larkmarn on Mar 22nd 2019 at 11:41:13 AM

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#20256: Mar 22nd 2019 at 8:58:00 AM

It is a sweet ass costume.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#20257: Mar 23rd 2019 at 12:09:21 AM

So Barbara Streisand had a pretty horrible take on Michael Jackson's accusers.

It isn't that she doesn't believe them, she does. She just doesn't think that what happened to them was a big deal because "it didn't kill them".

Edited by windleopard on Mar 23rd 2019 at 12:18:15 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#20258: Mar 23rd 2019 at 12:12:07 AM

...can she please stay in her basement mall with her clone dogs forever now?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#20259: Mar 23rd 2019 at 5:41:11 AM

Julianne Moore was fired from Can You Ever Forgive Me? because she wanted a fat suit and fake nose.

In a turn oddly fitting for a movie all about deception and controversy, a weird wrinkle has recently cropped up in the backstory of last year’s true-crime delight Can You Ever Forgive Me?. A few weeks ago, Julianne Moore opened up publicly about how she was still kind of miffed about getting fired from the part of author/forger Lee Israel—a role Melissa Mc Carthy was ultimately nominated for an Academy Award for—a mere six days before production on the movie was scheduled to begin. At the time, Moore didn’t elaborate on why she and director Nicole Holofcener had parted ways on the project, but now one of the movie’s other stars, Richard E. Grant, has shed some light on the reason for the split. And obviously, it involves a prosthetic nose and a fat suit.

This comes to us courtesy of Vulture, which reports that Moore apparently wanted a little bit of help from the film’s props department in order to portray Israel, who, in an objective physical sense, certainly did have a larger nose than herself. But Holofcener was uninterested in going the full “Gary Oldman’s make-up wins an Oscar for him” route with her twisty, ingenious film, calling the prosthetic “distracting” in a leaked report last week. Now Grant has dished up what we in the industry call “the tea” on the whole thing, revealing that Moore’s requests also included a fat suit in order to help her get into Israel’s, uh, skin.

Edited by windleopard on Mar 23rd 2019 at 5:42:33 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#20260: Mar 23rd 2019 at 5:46:34 AM

> ...can she please stay in her basement mall with her clone dogs forever now?

no thats cruel to her dogs

New theme music also a box
Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#20261: Mar 23rd 2019 at 9:29:16 AM

(I alread this three pages ago, but everyone missed it apparently)

…So, tricky question…

You have a main character who starts the story as just a mindless sphere that can imitate the form of any dead animal that touched it before dying. The sphere soon gains a human form, that of a young boy, and over the years develops a human mind and the ability to speak. He meets and connects with many characters, male and female, who die at one point. So he starts to "use" their bodies and abilities when the need arises − meaning he can take a male or female form at will. While his default form is the young boy of the beginning and his personality remains the same, his way of speaking and mannerisms seem to adapt when he has to keep a female form for a long time − as if he became female not just outside but also inside to an extent. Then it all reverts when he goes back to a male body.

Does that make the character… technically gender-fluid…?

(that's the main character of To Your Eternity by the way)

[up][up] Well that's… dedication to the role, I guess? >.>

Edited by Lyendith on Mar 23rd 2019 at 5:29:49 PM

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#20262: Mar 23rd 2019 at 9:35:18 AM

"Oh don't cry fam. You were horribly abused but at least they didn't kill you"

That honestly sounds like something out of a Black Comedy

Uni cat
Brandon Since: Jan, 2010
#20263: Mar 23rd 2019 at 3:43:08 PM

Good thing they didn't use Moore.

Hiring a fit actor to play an overweight, or heavyset person, and making them wear prosthetics is a pet peeve of mine.

SapphireBlue from California Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#20264: Mar 23rd 2019 at 5:22:40 PM

[up][up][up] Sounds like you could take that as genderfluid, or something like it.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#20265: Mar 23rd 2019 at 5:53:41 PM

[up][up][up][up] I'd say it depends on how the character self-identifies. I think gender presentation and performativity is distinct from self-identification, with self-identification being the most important aspect, but if the change in behavior is the result of a change in self-identification I'd say the character could be either properly genderfluid or agender but changing in performativity.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#20268: Mar 24th 2019 at 2:33:56 AM

Stuff like this is quite the argument for celebrities to keep their opinions to themselves.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#20269: Mar 24th 2019 at 4:11:55 AM

What Fandom Racism Looks Like: Misogynoir – Black Actresses Under Attack

A blog post on how black actresses get treated by fans of nerd properties. Trigger warning for racist and misogynistic comments. It gets ugly.

Edited by windleopard on Mar 24th 2019 at 11:42:00 AM

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#20270: Mar 24th 2019 at 4:27:17 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] It's a bit hard to tell… Imm doesn't really have a gender in the first place, he just happened to stumble upon a male body and lived most of his human life as a man (being perceived as such by the others). So there's a good deal of performance, conscious or not. But at some point − whem Imm is well over 100 years old − there's a guy who falls in love with one of Imm's female forms and wants to believe (as well as persuade Imm himself) that Imm is a woman, which leads to some brief questioning on Imm's part…

I don't quite get the difference between "agender" and "genderfluid", but I guess it all raises questions about the role of outside perception in the construction of gender identity. Or something.

Edited by Lyendith on Mar 24th 2019 at 12:27:39 PM

whizzerd Transcender of Gender from Scotland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Transcender of Gender
#20271: Mar 24th 2019 at 5:14:58 AM

Agender is someone, like me, who doesn't identify as any sort of gender. Not in the sense that their gender exists outside of the genders that are commonly known, but in the sense that they just don't feel like they have a gender.

Genderfluid is someone who can identify as multiple genders, either at once or switching between them as they feel comfortable.

they/them || "Forgive me, regent of queer amphibians" - Lt.BGob
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#20272: Mar 24th 2019 at 5:45:05 AM

Agender means they feel an absence of gender altogether. Genderfluid means they feel that they have a gender, but what it is changes with time. Sounds like your character comes closer to agender, with some genderfluid aspects.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#20274: Mar 24th 2019 at 9:36:33 AM

That’s not a fantastic apology. Yikes.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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