Diversity and Representation in Media

"Powderkeg" definitely has more connotations of Hoist by His Own Petard than other synonyms for explosives.

On the race thing I just feel stone faced. On the one hand I hate race changing characters. On the other hand I feel weird that Myer apparently didn't have a diverse vampire cast, even though Rice did. But then again Rice did have that whole "Vampirism makes you several shades lighter" thing

I'm pretty sure Meyer also has this, I think I remember it coming up at one point in a very long read through and commentary of the series and its many many problematic bits I followed a few years back.

About race-lifting. There any time where you have tried it in your mind?

And what are the best examples of it that you can find?

I've been doing that for a while myself. Here are a few of my ideas:

Roy Harper from Green Arrow - A caucasian adopted and raised by a Navajo family. In my mind, I race lifted Roy to Navajo by blood.

Donna Troy from Wonder Woman - White in the comics. I imagined her as a Filipina girl of Tagalog origin.

Artemis of the Bana-Mighdall from Wonder Woman - White in the comics. Of Arabic origin in my reimagining.

Garth from Aquaman - White in the comics but I've seen Booboo Stewart who is of mixed Asian and Native American ancestry fancast as him, so I'd go with a mix of Asian and Native American features for him.

Artemis Crock from Young Justice. Caucasian in the comics, half-Vietnamese in the show. Her being Jade Nguyen's sister was handled very well I felt.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 7th 2018 at 6:08:48 AM

I presume your version of Donna Troy would be akin to Darna.

Edited by M84 on Oct 7th 2018 at 10:30:24 PM

Not very familiar with that character so I don't know. Looking at that character's tropes page, she seems more like a Captain Marvel type character than a Wonder Woman one. Though it is interesting that her outfit has the same color scheme and star motif as Donna's second outfit.◊

My version of Donna would pretty much be the same origin as the first one she had, with her parents dying and her being adopted by the Amazon royal family (Hippolyta and Philipus as the moms and Diana and Nubia as their daughters) but with the difference that Donna is from the Philippines instead of the USA. Don't know if I'd keep the Troy last name though. Is it possible to have such a name in the Philippines?

Edited by windleopard on Oct 7th 2018 at 7:36:07 AM

Not really, unless you're making her mixed-race. Most Filipino surnames are of Spanish or Chinese (with Spanish spelling) origins, plus names from various native ethnicities following up behind.

@Windleopard.

Roy would still be adopted, right? You know, Navajo boy adopted for Navajo parents.

About Donna. Well, she should be race mixed or become something as Donna Torres.

Why Artemis? I'll like to heard the why is Arab.

Garth is certainly a combination that you rarely see.

Artemis is part of the Bana Mighdall, a race of Amazons from Egypt. Despite this, she's depicted as white and is the sole Bana of focus in Wonder Woman stories.

Roy isn't adopted in my headcanon.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 7th 2018 at 9:03:49 AM

Something I thought I'd bring up about racebending. A common criticism that's used against it, one I used to believe myself, is that it ruins chances of characters that were poc in canon of being adapted. But I no longer believe that is the case. Idris Elba playing Heimdall didn't stop Marvel from bringing in Black Panther, Falcon and Luke Cage.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 7th 2018 at 4:46:34 AM

I think you mean racebending there, because Idris Elba as Heimdall is the opposite of whitewashing.

Crap, typo. Sorry about that.

In response to his mockery of Dr Ford, actress Tatum O'Neal has come clean about her own sexual abuse at age 5.

So you know how the upcoming Charmed show was branded as a latina reboot? Turns out that's not entirely true.

To summarise:

• Only one of the actresses, Melonie Diaz, is latina. Sarah Jeffrey is African American and Indigenous Canadian and Madeline Mantock is of Jamaincan descent.

• The actresses made their heritages clear in interviews so the confusion isn't their fault. That would be the fault of the production team.

• the actresses did not screen test together, so they were cast as sisters based on their individual performances and the idea that they would look good together. Which has some issues of colorism - the idea that because they are lighter-skinned women with long hair, they can “pass” for Latina when they are actually black women.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 9th 2018 at 2:13:02 AM

I'm not bothered by the ethnicities, but why advertise it as a Latina reboot?

Because marketing departments are dumb.

I would assume because the characters are supposed to be Latinas. They are sisters after all. Though frankly, I think that the biggest Problem of Charmed was always that it is unintentional sexist. You would think that a show about sister relationship would be great, and there was a chance to greatness in the first season, but it soon became all about the love life of the various sisters while stuff like careers took a backseat.

They could’ve simply recast, or rebranded it as a black reboot instead.

It’s a good week for Filipino cinematographer Matty Libatique, who shot both the Number 1 and Number 2 films this weekend A Star Is Born and Venom.

John Leguizamo’s play Latin History For Morons will be available on Netflix.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 9th 2018 at 12:39:21 PM

Huh? Neat.

Good, I have friends who raved about it but I didn’t get to see it myself.

x 5 Funny thing is that was one of the things Shannen Doherty complained about resulting in her being fired.

Well, she also didn't get along with her co-stars and all and they basically got her fired. But if this was one of her concerns, she actually had a very good point.

I mean, this really bothered me about the show and eventually lead to me stopping watching it. Take Piper: The first thing they introduce about her is that she is an incredible talented cook but that she is trouble to shine in a male dominated business. Great idea. Lean into it. Ooops...nope, instead let her opening a club because apparently every show back then needed some sort of club for the main characters to hang out it. And even said club kind of vanished at one point (I actually don't remember why).

Then there is Phoebe which is introduced as the drifting doesn't really know what to do with her live type. Great, works extremely well in the first season because it explains why she is all for the witching stuff. Doesn't work so well when she only has a job when the plot needs her to have one and then apparently becomes some sort of star in the later season…??????

And finally Prue. Loved her being an art expert. Didn't love her being replaced by basically another Phoebe.

Edited by Swanpride on Oct 9th 2018 at 3:35:56 AM

To be fair the job stuff was pretty much background, the show never really give a damn about life of the sister outside their magic stuff.

Granted something I noticed a lot about phoebe is how much she got evil, mind control of all other stuff, it was surprising.

Now latinas...I dont mind, but the magic of the show was very vaguely based on neo paganism which more often than not is asociated with white women, I wonder how that would play out with latinas.

Indigenous belief systems?

I’m assuming the show has brushed with different magic systems from different cultures?