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A thread for discussing representation and diversity in all kinds of media. This covers creators and casting decisions as well as characters and in-universe discussions.

Historical works and decisions are in-scope as well, not just recent news.

Please put any spoilers behind tags and clearly state which work(s) they apply to.

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For discussing any racial, gender, and orientation misdoings happening across various movies and the film industry today.

This week, producer Ross Putnam started a Twitter account called "femscriptintros", where he puts up examples of how women are introduced in the screenplays he's read. And nearly all of sound like terrible porn or are too concerned with emphasizing said lady is beautiful despite whatever traits she may have. Here's a Take Two podcast made today where he talks about it.


(Edited April 19 2024 to add mod pinned post)

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 19th 2024 at 11:45:51 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27102: Jan 23rd 2021 at 10:28:13 AM

Mass Effect 2 Writer Confirms Jack Was Originally Pansexual

During a recent interview with The Gamer, former Bio Ware writer Brian Kindregan finally confirmed something that everyone who played the game already knew in their bones: Mass Effect 2 crew member Jack was originally pansexual, rather than exclusively romanceable by a male Shephard.

“It was actually very late [in development] that [Jack’s romance] became a male/female-only romance,” Kindregan, who was the main writer on Jack’s story, explained. “She was essentially pansexual for most of the development of that romance.”

While stopping short of outright blaming Fox News for the change, Kindregan said that the right-wing news channel’s absurd coverage of the sex scenes in the first Mass Effect gave the folks at Bio Ware cold feet when it came to implementing what would have been, at the time, the series’ only bisexual romance (the Asari race is considered monogender and thus Liara T’Soni technically doesn’t count). The change was made even more frustrating thanks to parts of Jack’s backstory painting her as someone interested in multiple genders.

It should be noted that, around the time of Mass Effect 2’s release, former Bio Ware quality assurance analyst Stanley Woo publicly denied that any consideration was made to Fox News’ reporting during the game’s development.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#27103: Jan 23rd 2021 at 2:00:02 PM

[up][up] What does that have to do with the thread?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#27104: Jan 23rd 2021 at 2:33:42 PM

Seems perfectly suitable for the thread considering we’ve had links here before of “one woman stars in this movie.”

Speaking of King, here is a review of her recent film One Night in Miami.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#27105: Jan 23rd 2021 at 2:41:19 PM

[up]That’s an Amazon Prime exclusive film. I imagine that SNL is a massive platform to promote it.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27106: Jan 23rd 2021 at 4:32:46 PM

I've also heard affection jabs about the same SNL casting announcement regarding Dan Levy and Phoebe Bridgers as "a win for the gays" (he is gay and she is bi).

Edited by Synchronicity on Jan 23rd 2021 at 6:33:02 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#27107: Jan 23rd 2021 at 9:29:29 PM

Earlier this month Disney hired cosplayer and podcaster Krystina Arielle to be the host of their new web series for Star Wars: The High Republic. Unfortunately, less than a week in, Arielle has been subject to constant racist harassment, much of it funneled by the rag Bounding Into Comics.

Following a fan counter-movement to support Arielle amidst her mistreatment, the Star Wars Twitter account put out a statement in support of her. However, some fans are calling it too little too late after their radio silence about the treatment of John Boyega and Kelly Tran.

Particularly baffling is Twitter’s response, which is to give her a verification check but little real action towards reducing the harassment itself.

erazor0707 The Unknown Unknown from The Infinitude of Meh Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Unknown Unknown
#27108: Jan 23rd 2021 at 9:39:24 PM

I'm with that one guy who said don't censor their names.

A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27109: Jan 23rd 2021 at 11:13:03 PM

However, some fans are calling it too little too late after their radio silence about the treatment of John Boyega and Kelly Tran.

So Disney's not allowed to learn a lesson about sticking up for their actors when they are unfairly harassed?

If they had said nothing, these same people would have still called them out.

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Goku Black
#27110: Jan 24th 2021 at 1:57:55 AM

The star wars fanbase are notoriously whinny. They complain about everything.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#27111: Jan 24th 2021 at 6:25:09 AM

They are also right-partisan as all hell. Always preferring the fascist and fascist coded elements and throwing bitchfits whenever the always political moves are "getting political"

gonewithwind1939 Since: Jan, 2021
#27112: Jan 24th 2021 at 6:37:07 AM

People are mad at Disney for saying one thing and doing another. This statement doesn't proved they learned anything as they made similar statements about John and Kelly but still marginalized them in the films. We haven't seen any amends made to John, Kelly, or anyone that suffered harassment. If anything they doubled down on appeasing racists to make extra money.

Edited by gonewithwind1939 on Jan 24th 2021 at 6:45:58 AM

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#27113: Jan 24th 2021 at 6:53:39 AM

It's great that they congratulated Kelly Marie Tran on her birthday, but all the same it's appalling that they just ignored James Earl Jones on his at the same time. I don't think they even released an apology on it, or at least I haven't been able to find one.

That, along the treatment of Alan Dean Foster, which is just plain a dick move, only sends the message, intended or not, that they couldn't care less about the forebearers and only are focused on the now, here and beyond.

Edited by AmazingSpiderHam on Jan 24th 2021 at 6:54:06 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#27114: Jan 24th 2021 at 7:02:42 AM

The closest thing Disney has offered Kelly Marie Tran as a make good is the lead role in Raya and the Last Dragon, and well...at least they’re keeping her employed.

Boyega meanwhile, I don’t think that bridge will ever be mended. He may have hated the typecasting, but at least Harrison Ford came back to film more Star Wars stuff. Boyega? I still expect a tell-all from him when the NDA’s fully expire.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27115: Jan 24th 2021 at 7:03:06 AM

"Let the past die, kill it if you have to".

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#27116: Jan 24th 2021 at 7:04:15 AM

God help me, but that line almost seems to have been written with a meta purpose in mind.

TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#27117: Jan 24th 2021 at 8:56:27 AM

That line is without doubt my single favorite moment in the entire ST. And I’m not even saying that in a Damned by Faint Praise sense, I just genuinely really like the line

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gonewithwind1939 Since: Jan, 2021
#27118: Jan 24th 2021 at 9:59:13 AM

But you aren't supposed to be agree with it. Or maybe you are. I don't know anymore

Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#27119: Jan 24th 2021 at 6:13:20 PM

[up] In episode VIII, no, but then JJ had Rey and Ben literally kill the past, so who knows.

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#27120: Jan 24th 2021 at 6:15:29 PM

One of those things where the sequel movies can't agree among themselves, probably.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#27121: Jan 24th 2021 at 6:20:56 PM

We really shouldn't take the psycho edgelord that was believed at this point to be a school shooter seriously. But this era is jerked around so much in contradictory directions it leaves you feeling like a bobblehead toy.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#27122: Jan 24th 2021 at 7:37:51 PM

JJ isn't great with consistent themes among his own movies, much less someone else.

I enjoyed RotS well enough, but JJ is not great at endings and doesn't play well with others. He shouldn't have been the one tapped to finish off the trilogy. Who did they have before they brought him back? I know the original plan was a different director for all three.

Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#27123: Jan 24th 2021 at 7:39:34 PM

[up] Colin Trevorrow, but he sit the bed with Book of Henry and got booted.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#27124: Jan 24th 2021 at 7:41:28 PM

The High Republic host argument is the perfect "whataboutism" argument for the people who dislike Disney Star Wars. If they didn't defend her, Disney agrees! She needs to go! But since they did defend her, they get to play "what about Boyega? What about Tran?" and still attack her. Either way, they get to play victim, shame Disney, and go after this woman.

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#27125: Jan 24th 2021 at 11:40:48 PM

The fans are completely right for calling out execs for being too little, too late.

It’s nice that the SW execs are changing and finally standing up to harassment, but the hurt is still there and a tweet means little to nothing. It’s not like they’re losing anything. There’s no acknowledgement of how they failed people of color in the past or their complicity regarding the harassment. They just said “Bullying. Knock it off.”

Also, they had five years to stick up for JB, but they made surely to wait until after the ST was over so they wouldn’t lose any money. That’s like watching your friend get jumped and doing nothing about it, but then telling them that you have their back.

So yeah, not impressed. Happy for my good sis, Krystina, though.

Edited by deuteragonist on Jan 24th 2021 at 11:46:46 AM


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