Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

The Emperor wanting to burn the entire galaxy with Operation Cinder is basically an attempt at Hitler's own plans for Germany. When defeat was imminent, Hitler ordered the infrastructure of Germany to be completely destroyed because the people had "failed him" and there was no place for them in history. Palpatine likely had the same school of thought; because the Empire failed to protect him it didn't deserve to exist, and neither did the galaxy since no one could rule over it but him.

Star Wars can be a pithy f'cking franchise when you edit some of the scenes together.

Edited by Soble on Aug 18th 2018 at 8:48:41 AM

Yeah, but didn't the Germans say "screw that" and ignore the orders?

they didn't have laser space stations

To be more specific, he gave the order to his minister of armaments, who then refused to implement it. This was just a couple of months before Germany surrendered, and the minister had long since lost faith in Hitler. Allegedly this same guy had planned to kill Hitler himself, but that's going by his word.

Hitler had also previously given an order to burn Paris to the ground rather than let the Allies retake it, which was also ignored. Unfortunately most Imperial brass, unlike high-ranking Nazis, didn't have a spine.

Interesting thought I had, I find Ren very similar to Sidious in that they are both Dark Siders who lack a tragic, sympathetic, or pitiable motivation for why they became evil.

Like Vader doesn't need to be said, Bane & Zannah both came from nothing, Maul, Savage, & Ventress were born in a toxic Dark Side society (even worse in Maul's case because Sidious raised him), Dooku was manipulated in his weakest moment by Sidious after growing disenchanted by what the Jedi were becoming, & the inquisitors are shown to be traumatized by the purge & manipulated as well.

If Sidious origin is still sorta he was born a noble & a sociopath which is very similar to Ren who was born in a good family yet had a real darkness within him.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 19th 2018 at 3:53:21 AM

Hitler had been in power only 12 years and the last three of those saw the steady destruction of the Nazi empire. There had always been a level of disdain for Hitler among the elitist officer corp in the military, so when the time came to level Paris or Germany itself, they were more likely to balk.

In contrast, if we count his time as chancellor, then Palpatine had been in power for over three decades and had overseen the creation of the military from the ground up. The only people who could for sure be trusted to not be his hand-picked yes men were the Jedi and he took care of them as soon as possible.

Speaking of spineless Imperials, want to know one super-minor thing from Legends that I'm still a bit dismayed the new canon seems to have thrown out? Mas Amedda's backstory. It was revealed toward the end of Legends on the official blog, and I liked it quite a lot.

Basically, rather than being a corrupt bureaucrat, Amedda was actually one of the last honest Senators at the Republic's twilight, and was increasingly despairing at his inability to help clean up corruption in the Senate. Combine that with the fact that his species' culture values order over freedom, and it was depressingly easy for old Sheev to prod him into assisting his scheme - sure, we'll just sacrifice a few civil liberties here and there, and it'll be totally worth it when the swamp is drained, right? Shortly before he declared himself Emperor, Sheev tauntingly revealed his true intentions to Amedda, and Amedda, broken at the realization that he just helped destroy what he was trying to save, went and decided Then Let Me Be Evil.

I thought it was a rather poignant look at how a normal person, maybe even a good person, could get sucked in by a toxic ideology, which happens all the time in real life. In the new canon, though, he seems to just be a bootlicker.

I'm gonna assume that's one of the dudes from the Trade Federation right?

Nope, Palpatine's blue-skinned right hand man from the Prequels. Yells "ORDER!" in the Senate.

Oh. That dude.

Totally forgot about him.

The one with the really tall horns. Costs Palpatine a lot to make sure all the doorways in the Senate building were high enough.

Sounds like a really interesting backstory. Shame to lose it, really.

I know this is not what any of the Expanded Universe stuff has done, and there's no hint towards it in the movies, but my headcanon is that Palpatine is not actually Palpatine. There was a guy named Palpatine who got elected to the Senate (or at least was on a career path that could lead him to the Senate), and the future Emperor killed him and stole his identity as his first step towards gaining power.

I just kinda don't like the idea that the Emperor has an actual past, that people in the Star Wars universe can dig up stories about his childhood and early life before he was a demonic space wizard. To me, that's like giving The Joker a definitive origin story.

Edited by RavenWilder on Aug 19th 2018 at 11:40:40 AM

Operation Cinder was only a part of the Contingency, which also involved getting the most loyal Imperials into the Unknown Regions to rebuild the Empire in a later stage. It kind of worked.

Geez!

ew

ew

never let that man touch a star wars film ever again pls.

pls

thx

Does that technically make the makeout in ESB .0001% less squicky?

Edited by TheAirman on Aug 20th 2018 at 9:10:44 AM

That was at least between two fundamentally decent people. Who didn't really know they were related at the time.

This

This is baaaad.

Also we’ve literally seen Anakin at least shirtless in the same bed as his wife

Also also any notion of Reylo makes me request that whoever has the brain bleach please pass it along.

Because dear god this isn’t just bad, this is terribad.

I got a bad feeling about this

if they add sex to star wars it becomes Game of Thrones

Nah, Boobs & Dragons doesn’t have anywhere near the body count.

His later pregnant wife, no less. I'm 90% sure nookie happened very shortly before.

Cant wait for Reylo

"it all happened through the force,no really"