I'm pretty sure Ducktales can't use any of the Jungle Book characters, presumably for legal reasons. Frank already confirmed Khan wouldn't be appearing and it doesn't seem like any of the others will be either. Talespin-exclusives are obviously fair game though.
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Yeah, Baloo, Shere Khan and Louie the ape will, at most, be given cryptic references as a Mythology Gag (similarly to how they smuggled Mickey Mouse into "Moonvasion").
I hope Louie Duck will appear in the Kit&Molly episode, and there'll be a referece to "Louie's Place" (perhaps he'll try to run a motel in Cape Suzette as a new business?).
Although, also let's not forget that The Jungle Book is in the public domain, so they can technically use Baloo and Shere Khan without Disney's permission.
Edited by Snicka on Nov 30th 2020 at 9:18:41 PM
If they don't use Baloo and company, it's definitely not for any legal reason. It might be for any number of reasons, like maybe Disney top brass isn't as open to mixing or reinterpreting franchises like that in the way they used to, or maybe the Jungle Book characters are earmarked due to the live action films, or maybe Angones and company just didn't want to.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
It's said by Frank himself that Disney didn't let them use characters from Robin Hood so there's a chance legal issues would be involved for Jungle Book characters.
Here's the post in question. He mentioned legal hurdles of getting movie characters into the show (I'm guessing the showrunners couldn't pull something like with Sofia the First , which did have movie characters).
Since the Christmas episode was announced and reveal the cause of Scrooge's negativity towards Santa. I was worried it would be something absurd. Looks like those worries were valid.
A grudge like that would have to be either really serious or really stupid, and DuckTales is the kind of show to veer towards the latter.
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I was hoping it because he was on the naughty list or something
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Ideological differences, man. Those things can be an even bigger friendship-ender than Mario Party.
Strange that Santa is the one who seems less offended. One would think that Scrooge trying to monetize Christmas and ruining its purity and magic would be a bigger Berserk Button to him...
"Like maybe Disney top brass isn't as open to mixing or reinterpreting franchises like that in the way they used to, or maybe the Jungle Book characters are earmarked due to the live action films,"
That's what I meant by "legal reasons". The same reason why they couldn't use the Rescue Rangers (until the higher ups okay'd it anyways).
I could have sworn it was referred to as "legal issues" whenever Frank brought it up but maybe my mind's just misremembering things.
To note, that's not a legal issue. It's a company issue.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 30th 2020 at 3:00:54 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
You say po-tay-to. It comes to the same thing either way.
Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 30th 2020 at 3:00:47 AM
No, those are two completely different things. If you're talking about legal things, that's stuff like copyright and such - a situation in which the legal rights are not with the people who would like to use them.
The show absolutely has the legal right to use the characters if the company allows, but the company doesn't.
That's why with enough finagling, they can use those characters if they get the company to agree (or trick them into agreeing, like what happened with the Rescue Rangers).
Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 30th 2020 at 3:01:14 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Either way, the writers' ability to use certain characters is outside their control.
Well, yeah. We're all aware of that.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Right, so the difference between them isn't particularly relevant, for practical purposes, since it amounts to the same result regardless.
Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 30th 2020 at 3:02:53 AM
There's something of a conclusion jump, there.
Ultimately, "any way I choose to refer to a situation is equally correct to any other as long as I can eventually get people to understand what I'm saying, even if the terms I use are misleading" does not make sense, no.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 30th 2020 at 3:09:33 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Fair enough.
Thinking about it, I suppose if there is a functional difference, it's that he writers can skirt the company issue more than the legal one, like how they slipped in the Rescue Rangers.
That won't get them sued.
Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 30th 2020 at 3:13:26 AM
'We're the same company but we'll keep running legal interference between our own properties anyway'.
Oh Disney.
Warner seems to be much less anal about this kind of thing.
The old Bat-Embargo
would say otherwise. Companies do stuff like this. Its a known factor, though not widely talked about. It usually boils down to licensing rights or market share or other such stuff.
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Tell me about it. An episode of the 2020 Animaniacs revival had Hanna Barbara characters showing up. They know how to let their brands mix.
Though this was primarily a cameo, so I suppose maybe it's different.
Oh right. I forgot about the Bat-Embargo. My bad.
Edited by HandsomeRob on Nov 30th 2020 at 5:18:59 AM
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https://animesuperhero.com/forums/threads/a-disney-duck-embargo.5788020/
Interestingly, I found this thread on toonzone that talks about a sort of duck embargo.
The Bat-Embargo was way more than a decade ago.
To put it in more current terms, compare The Lego Batman Movie with Ralph Breaks the Internet. The latter feels much more... careful with its use of cameos, mostly using them as references and fanservice out of the very climax, which still could have been rewritten taking the crossover characters out without really damaging the plot. The former makes use of the crossover elements like the Phantom Zone and the extra villains as actual, vital plot points (for instance, the other villains replacing the classic Rogues Gallery by Joker's side is what moves them to team up with the Batfamily).
If the rumors about Space Jam 2 are true, that'll likely be the case there too.
Edited by AmazingSpiderHam on Nov 30th 2020 at 4:21:31 AM
I just watched the Christmas episode, it was a nice one. The reason for the feud between Santa and Scrooge was something I suspected, namely their differing business ethics: Scrooge sees everything as a business and wants to sell coal to people, whereas Santa just wants to give away toys for free.