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ZheToralf Floating Advice Reminder from somewhere in Germany Since: Dec, 2009
#4726: May 15th 2019 at 3:12:04 PM

I loved how they had Kara do the Not So Different speech to red daughter and being labeled a villain for it. Nice twist on an old trope. Funny enough, the current trope image is Supergirl.

Edited by ZheToralf on May 15th 2019 at 12:17:25 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#4727: May 19th 2019 at 5:52:02 PM

Boy, they did quite the Double Subversion on Lex dying didn't they?

And just like we all thought, Kara is gonna regret not telling Lena sooner.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#4728: May 19th 2019 at 5:52:37 PM

after a whole season of preaching about how they have to ask the mass murdering serial killers for their consent to be depowered, its refreshing for supergirl team to just take bad guys powers away

DeathsApprentice Jaded Techie Fox from The Grim Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Jaded Techie Fox
#4729: May 19th 2019 at 7:46:45 PM

Well, that was a fun and emotional finale. grin That was, ah, a lot.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#4730: May 19th 2019 at 9:06:05 PM

What a great season finale. I love how they had "My Way" playing when Kaznia launched the rocket, only for it to switch to Lex singing it from inside of his suit. Turns out he doesn't always get his way, though...

This episode sets up a whole bunch of interesting dynamics for the next season.

I liked it better when Questionable Casting was called WTH Casting Agency
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#4731: May 19th 2019 at 11:38:11 PM

I think this season's run, Supergirl for the very first time genuiinely took the crown of the beast of the CW bunch smile

Really a great ride, from start to finish.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#4732: May 20th 2019 at 9:21:49 PM

This season was probably the best season of Supergirl. And, really, the best part about it was the Luthors — Lena, Lillian, and, of course, Lex. Somehow, Jon Cryer made evil-super-genius-mad-scientist-obsessed-with-Superman Lex Luthor and it worked. He was over the top just enough to be campy, but not narmy.

And that scene in the White House with all three Luthors was amazing. "Try not to quote Hitler, dear, it hurts the brand." Dear God, Brenda Strong as Lillian Luthor is awesome. And, of course, Lena is the one who gets to shoot and kill Lex...while Lex taunts her about not knowing Kara is Supergirl. We all knew it was coming, but it still a gut punch of a moment.

I wonder: if Lex knew Kara was Supergirl (presumably because he has surveillance everywhere), does he also know that Clark Kent is Superman? I mean, he had no desire to expose Supergirl's secret identity, so knowing Clark was Superman would made sense, too. Or perhaps he doesn't care who Superman is or is so obsessed with him that he can't believe he's Clark (that's how it was in the comics for a bit).

Also: we're getting Leviathan as the villain next season? Well, that's wildly different. For those who don't read DC, Leviathan is a splinter organization from the League of Assassins led by Talia al Ghul, who created it to be the exact opposite of Batman Inc. They also tend to make tailor-made superhumans for their own purposes.

Edited by alliterator on May 20th 2019 at 9:23:37 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#4733: May 20th 2019 at 9:45:11 PM

Odds are Lex prefers not to reveal Superman and Supergirl's identities, because once he does they'll know that their civilian homes and loved ones aren't safe, and respond accordingly. So long as he keeps the info to himself, he can wait for the perfect time to make use of it.

As for how he figured out Supergirl's identity, three possibilities come to mind:

1) As you said, he found out from his video surveillance of Lena.

2) Lillian told him.

3) Being a super-genius, he's the only one (besides Cat Grant) able to put together the very obvious clues that Supergirl and Kara Danvers are the same person.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#4734: May 20th 2019 at 9:52:41 PM

It's kind of adorable how they try to keep up the Kara facade in live action. It's all fun and games until one of your friends still hurting from a betrayal finds out who you actually are...

I liked it better when Questionable Casting was called WTH Casting Agency
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#4735: May 20th 2019 at 10:01:04 PM

In general it tends to be that Evil Cannot Comprehend Good that helped Superman. Luthor doesn't get humility and the idea that a guy that powerful pretends to be just a reporter.

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32ndfreeze (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#4736: May 21st 2019 at 3:29:38 AM

Urgh, was hoping they wouldn't do the boring and obvious route with Lena. It would have been so good to see Lena about to sink down but then Kara shows up and tells her the secret. At least the next 4 months will have 1001 "Kara tells Lena after Game Night" fics.

Other than that it was a great episode. Probably my favorite season overall.

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#4737: May 21st 2019 at 4:14:17 AM

Yeah, enjoyed that conclusion. I wasn't so sure at the beginning of the season but the Red Daughter and Lex parts helped a good bit (though I do like that the Children of Liberty stuff still stayed in part rather than just half-season arcs). The last few minutes were very... plot-hook-y? Felt a bit much honestly but let's see what they do with all of those.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#4738: May 21st 2019 at 10:14:59 AM

Finally getting around to watching the finale.

Man, am I tired of "My Way."

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#4739: May 21st 2019 at 11:15:01 AM

Really didn't expect to hear that song in this show, but I guess the lyrics fit the character.

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#4740: May 22nd 2019 at 7:06:03 AM

I still think it's bullshit that any secret society could get the drop on Lex.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#4741: May 22nd 2019 at 7:54:20 AM

I don't really see why not; he's smart, not omniscient and he has tunnel vision in respect to his enemies.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#4742: May 22nd 2019 at 7:56:25 AM

Or he knew, and didn't care to check too closely because killing aliens was more important.

Wake me up at your own risk.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#4743: May 22nd 2019 at 7:23:59 PM

I wonder: if Lex knew Kara was Supergirl (presumably because he has surveillance everywhere), does he also know that Clark Kent is Superman? I mean, he had no desire to expose Supergirl's secret identity, so knowing Clark was Superman would made sense, too. Or perhaps he doesn't care who Superman is or is so obsessed with him that he can't believe he's Clark (that's how it was in the comics for a bit).

Most likely he knows, but there's nothing the knowledge affords him at the moment. Superman isn't even on Earth - where his secret identity is important - right now, so Luthor can either leave a trap in Clark Kent's apartment for whenever he comes back and simply wait, or fire a death laser at Argos where he knows Superman is right now.

He chooses the latter.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 22nd 2019 at 7:24:37 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#4744: May 29th 2019 at 4:15:56 AM

Definitively Supergirl's best season. The themes were at their strongest and their most well utilized, every member of the cast was wonderfully developed from what came before last season, I liked the antagonists for their intended roles and their relations to the heroes, etc. There were maybe one or two dropped balls, but nothing major enough to dampen the season for me.

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#4745: Jun 6th 2019 at 5:32:09 PM

Does anyone even care that Winn isn't on anymore? I sure don't.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#4746: Jun 6th 2019 at 6:21:21 PM

...So, you posted just to bring up how you're glad a character is gone?

I mean, I don't hate Winn, but I admit I'd kinda forgotten about him. Brainy is great.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#4747: Jun 6th 2019 at 7:03:03 PM

Yeah, they didn't really know what to do with Winn — they gave him an alien girlfriend, they made him the man in the chair for Guardian, and...that was about it. They seem to have a lot better understanding on what to do with Brainy.

32ndfreeze (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#4748: Jun 7th 2019 at 1:38:10 AM

Winn had some spectacular focus episodes. But they had an issue with what to have him do the rest of the time.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#4749: Jul 13th 2019 at 8:55:05 PM

Finally caught up with this. I stopped watching at "Blood Memory," which was probably where the season was its most depressing. But it was on point the entire time, and it became less depressing (such as by showing counter-racists and peace winning) quickly.

I basically have two problems with the season: One, the way Lena found out Kara's secret, of course. While I admit Lex's reveal was wonderfully petty, and Kara's reasons for not telling her this season weren't bad, she should have told her years ago. At absolute latest, she should have told her at the end of season 2, when Kara's ex-boyfriend's mother kidnapped Lena. That was something Kara could have given Lena a bit of a heads up about if Lena knew, while at the same time it wasn't actually Kara's fault and so Lena wouldn't get too mad.

I'm guessing that this part of the plot next season will be like James and Lena this season: Lena will be mad at Kara for a few episodes, but they'll be settled in the end. We're probably not getting the full Lena/Kara romance that a lot of people want, but I also doubt they'll seriously make Lena go full supervillain.

Anyway, my second problem is that I kinda wish President Baker had just been a random idiot and racist, rather than a willing collaborator with Lex. I feel like it would have been more realistic. Of course, Trump blows up any complaints about "realistic" presidents, so yeah.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#4750: Jul 15th 2019 at 4:54:16 PM

It took a while compared to Ollie and Barry, but Kara is finally getting a permanent suit change for Season 5. It looks similar to the barebones version of Injustice 2 design.

“We’ve been talking about pants since season 1,” Benoist tells EW. “Every time a writer from the show has come up, and it’s freezing cold in Vancouver, I’m like, ‘Guys, please can I not wear tights?'” I love [Kara’s old costume]. I haven’t changed it because it so works, and I think it is very Kara. I’ve always felt that — until recently, I’m like, ‘Something’s gotta give.'”

She's also making her directorial debut for Season 5's 17th episode. Another cool trend of the Arrowverse shows.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Jul 15th 2019 at 8:35:51 AM


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