DC Universe Animated Original Movies General

I have a hard time respecting Batman nowdays, mostly due to "Batgod" BS and writers portraying other heroes being more "corruptable" than Batman.

Batman also leaves Joker to die all the time. If given the choice between saving Joker's life and doing anything else more worthwhile, he'll typically give Joker the old "fuck you" unless there was some contrived moral reason why he couldn't.

What Batman won't do is execute the Joker, and as slimcoder notes it's not his responsibility to go around killing people the legal system won't deal with. But it's not like he wants Joker to still be around. It's not his fault the guy's immortal for reasons in-universe characters don't know about.

I've been a Batman fan for decades at this point and literally the only time I've ever, at all, seen Batman portrayed as less corruptible as anyone else is in Injustice.

The vast majority of actual Batman media, meanwhile, loves making a plot point of how Batman is teetering near the edge of paranoid idiocy.

As for "Batgod BS," given that that's mostly a fanbase thing - and even then, only a certain portion of it - I don't know about blaming the character himself for it.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 16th 2021 at 1:58:35 AM

The weird thing about the Harley ultimatum is that literally the issue before, Harley dragged him to an alone chat where she tells him that if he won't kill the Joker then she'll take the shot, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Which she didn't. For whatever reason she completely turned back on her words and let Joker live to instead force Batman to make the choice instead of simply killing him herself.

Jeezy Petes, Tynion... Almost sounds like Tynion wanted to have his cake and eat it, but that probably doesn't sound right.

(Actually, if I recall, one issue from one of Harley's solo series, I think before the Rebirth relaunch, she had Joker dead to rights too...and she still didn't go through with it then because Harley figured Joker would want to be killed, which kinda makes sense in that "achieving immortality through death and legacy" kind of way, if it makes sense.)

Keep in mind that Tynion wasn't allowed to actually kill off the Joker (although he claims that during the writing of Their Dark Designs / Joker War he was constantly asking his superiors for permission to kill the Joker).

They should've just given it to him. Stories have killed off Joker before. Joker is maybe the one character in DC whom I could 100% believe it if he got a gruesome, seemingly definitive death scene, then came back a year later with zero explanation.

Even if he wasn’t gonna kill off Joker, he still shouldn’t have written Harley like a complete dipshit.

Cause that’s the issue. With Joker everyone constantly has to bring the subject of killing him which makes it annoying since they never do. It’s very repetitive.

...I'm just picturing Jason trying to shoot the Joker or blow him up, and the Joker just Doesn't Die no matter what. And that being what causes Jason to give up trying to kill the Joker or demand he gets killed.

They should toss the Joker into the phantom zone, but that might backfire.

They already tried that, and it did.

I liked that movie. I like the lego DC Comics movies better than the live action ones.

The Lego DC DVD movies are hilarious. A standout moment is from Gotham City Breakout, where the Joker's greatest weapon is a spoon.

Supes should have just grabbed the joker at super speed and not talk!

Huh we get another animated Suicide Squad film I hope it features some members from the new movie.

Ratcatcher II is just such a great character, she should be in more stuff.

Okay this scene is like the best one to come out of the Injustice 2 comic. The movie would be improved by like a thousand percent if it has a scene like this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/pqdmj0/comic_excerpt_marth_kent_is_a_badass_injustice_2/

They also did it in the DCAU where Justice Lord Batman was the only one of the Justice Lords to pull a Heel–Face Turn and main Batman was the only founder truly concerned about the League's corruption for most the Cadmus Arc.

Thank god. That's how it should be.

Hell, Harley should be in jail for life instead of being allowed to join the Justice League.

Too bad they won't bring up Simon, Jessica or Wally so that they can drop Hal and Barry too.

Except for the fact that he legitimately was on the Justice Lord's side and the incorruptible league member was Flash who was the moral center of the group and without him everyone else went to shit?

Because that would be entertaining and useful.

More to the point, 1) Harley benefits society more by being under Batman's direction than she would rotting in a cell or being killed by Superman 2) her arc was well done 3) I do like seeing characters who did genuinely awful stuff becoming better people.

Thing is, creators cater to fanbse, nowdays Batman is portrayed to be capable of taking down all of the Justice League single handendly or with his Bat-Family and easily outsmart them on constant basis, and that not even getting into various Elseworlds, like Batman: Last Knight on Earth, where Batman seemengly easily took down Darkseid and completed Anti-Life Equation, which no one else was able to complete for thousands of years.

The folks at Justice League Unlimited originally planned to have Batman switch to Amanda Waller's side during the second season arc, citing that he'd be uneasy with how powerful the League was getting. They opted not to do it not because they felt it'd be out of character, but because they wanted to keep using Batman and they couldn't see how they could walk him back from it after the story was over.

Edited by Robbery on Sep 18th 2021 at 2:19:39 AM

Well its arguable how much of a benefit she is to society since all she is a crazy woman with a bat.

Heh Waller keeps forcing her on the squad despite being an insane psychopath with little regard for her own life.

So thats an Elseworld title. In Wonder Woman: Dead Earth Diana destroyed the world by going all out on Superman and was stronger than him by a large enough measure to kill him.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 18th 2021 at 3:06:55 AM

Okay first, that Elseworld title is only one of many things, where Batman is "Bat-God, who is capable of defeating anyone and easily outsmarts everyone constantly" and it is mentioned that it is only one of the most obvious examples, for others, you can take Frank Miller's Batman stuff (mostly the sequels and prequels to his most praised works, like Dark Knight Strikes Again), Scott Snyder stuff (like "Endgame", where Joker brainwashed the Justice League and Batman took down them all or prelude to "Dark Knights Metal" where Batman easily outsmarted the rest of the heroes, and Batman: Last Knight on Earth is his work), stuff like JLA: Act of God, cartoons like Batman: The Brave and the Bold, with songs like these:

Strikes Again is praised? I thought it was like "Evidence C" of Miller's general downward spiralling.

Edited by Blueace on Sep 18th 2021 at 7:25:12 AM