Disney/Pixar In General

Wouldn't Toy Story 2 and a half be better than? Because Bo Peep is a lamp that was sold after Andy's sister grew up.

But Woody is presumably looking for her.

So are they silencing, Darrin-ing, or Chuck Chunningham-ing Potato Head?

They already Darrined Slinky Dog, so that's probably what'll happen to Potato Head.

I can't really imagine anyone other than Don Rickles in the role. Let's see how they can replace him.

They also either Chuck'd or silenced every Joe Ranft character, and Doc Hudson was killed off.

Cars 3 kept a ton of characters that now have deceased actors, and Pixar treated each one differently.

• Doc Hudson appears in flashbacks and even though Corey Burton voiced Doc in a video game, John Lasseter was adamant about only using Newman's recordings for this movie. They used a combination of takes from Cars that were never used, Paul just talking as himself between takes, or reused lines that made it into the first film.
• Red still whimpers, but this time he doesn't have any voice.
• The Rust-eze Brothers have a strong role in the movie but it;s complicated by having 1 half of the Car Talk brothers dead. So the remaining brother comes back to record some plot-centric dialogue, and they reuse dialogue for the other brother from the first movie and from episodes of Car Talk, so he only says short, less important lines like uh-huh.

edited 5th Jul '17 9:41:54 PM by kyun

I can see them recycling dialogue for Potato Head.

After a long while of waiting, I actually got around to watching the Sofia the First episode 'The Mystic Isles' and I have to say, I'm a little bit concerned.

You see, way back when I first started writing my current fantasy novel, I eventually came up with the idea of an archipelago where mythical and mystical creatures alike all came to hide from the outside world, with each island being largely dedicated to a specific type of creature. However, the problem with this was that I was always somewhat worried about the issue of copyright infringement. Back when I first came up with the idea, my main concern was essentially ripping off "Rudolph's Shiny New Year", which is, admittedly, what inspired me to the idea in the first place. But now, after seeing the aforementioned Sofia the First movie, I'm worried that that will cause people to call my idea a stolen one.

As someone who's wasted a lot of time in the past fretting about that sort of thing, trust me: don't worry about it. That's a very general concept, so as long as you don't out and do the exact same execution/characters/etc (and I doubt you plan to), it won't be a problem.

If it really continues to bother you, though, then reevaluate a bit. Never hurts to do so, as long as you're doing to emphasize what you feel makes your use of it unique to what you want to do.

edited 11th Jul '17 12:11:19 PM by KnownUnknown

Not to sound like a Debbie Downer, but there is no Disney movie I hate more than Pinocchio. It was too dark and I hated the warped aesops & the ending. I'll sound immature for saying this, but fuck this movie for allowing the villains to get off scot-free. I do understand that there will be villains who will get away with things and that life is not fair, but Disney could have done a better job at it and let a villain get away with something less heinous than what the Coachman did.

It also bothers me how people in the comments section on the Youtube videos associated with the movie are saying that the boys deserved their Fate Worse than Death. I hope they never have kids.

edited 11th Jul '17 12:24:29 PM by MsCC93

Yeah, that's one film that I find myself unwilling to go back to, I find it hard to be satisfied by the main protagonists and only them getting their Happy Ending (especially since they left all those other boys and forgotten all about them). Hell with all those terrifying creeps still walking free and practically stalking for children, how blissful will Pinocchio's life stay now he's a real boy?

I find it ironic that Bambi was the one criticised for going too far and being traumatic. The unpunished villain was more cleverly handled in that depiction, it was the unseen hunter, a character with no malicious intent but still done something horrible and will likely do it again without a second thought, even more so, it's us. I also find a mother dying in this regard heartbreaking, but far less disturbing than instilling Adult Fear from your kids being trafficked, mutilated and sent to a Fate Worse than Death by a far more sadistic character. If kids were spooked with Bambi, how many parents were spooked by Pinocchio?

edited 11th Jul '17 1:03:43 PM by Psi001

But that's the difference, though. Adults aren't going to be as profoundly affected by Pinocchio because they're adults who've seen movies and read books far darker than it, whereas many kids will have Bambi or Lion King be the first piece of media that depicts the death of a parent in such a strong, relatable way, and they're not going to care about the fates of the other boys as much because the other boys aren't the ones they're relating to.

Ironic that even some of the 'darker' more realistic movies have a more idealistic outcome than Pinocchio though. Even in Taken pretty much the whole trafficking gang get their comeuppance and can never harm anyone again.

I am left wondering how the alleged Direct to Video Pinocchio 2 would have turned out.

edited 11th Jul '17 1:12:38 PM by Psi001

Taken's not what I'd call dark or realistic by any means. It's a power fantasy aimed at worried parents about being the omnipotent father who can do anything and beat anyone to protect his child.

Relatively so anyway. Taken isn't categorised as a family movie like Pinocchio is anyway.

Fair enough. It also helped that the movie came out back in 1940, when Disney was far more brutal with their movies. As an adult watching the movie for the 2nd time of my life, I was pretty traumatized. This is because shit like this happens all the time in real life. Many kids are kidnapped (minus the whole donkey part) and never see their parents again, so that's why it struck many nerves.

Agreed. Only Pinocchio and Gepetto got their happy ending, while the poor boys are forever donkeys & never get to see their parents again. There's a funny theory of the possibility of Donkey from Shrek being one of the kidnapped boys that grow up to be an adult donkey.

edited 11th Jul '17 1:28:07 PM by MsCC93

Well Pinocchio does exist in that franchise (and wears women's underwear too).

The video game fixed that by having you fight the Coachman and knocking him off a cliff or something.

But the novel Pinocchio was way, WAY worse.

9414: Probably like the other direct-to-video sequels of the time: awful. But Eisner had far worse plans for the film - he wanted to remake it in CGI!

In any case, the parts that people like to complain about in Pinocchio are a big part of what the film is actually about. Pinocchio is perhaps Disney's most mature film - not in content, but in the message that it sends.

Well they did a decent Bambi DTV midquel that kept some of the darkness of the original film (ironically it was the original novel's sequel that put Man through Villain Decay). Along with Fantasia 2000 being higher scale than the other sequels, it felt like Disney might have put more respect into following up their first few works (then again that might be why the Pinocchio and Dumbo sequels didn't get made in the first place, I know it was the reason for Snow White 2 getting dumped).

As for a CGI remake, looking at recent events, it may still happen.

I think the problem is, despite its more mature message, Pinocchio still tries to aim for a totally happy sugary ending where you think all is well now. It feels....uncomfortable trying to be happy after all that.

edited 11th Jul '17 2:11:41 PM by Psi001

Wasn't the Snow White thing a prequel, or was that the planned short Snow White Returns?

Eisner sure is the horrifying Boogeyman every animator sees in their nightmares. That until Sony Animation came along.

Eisner used to be a cool guy. :) But then he left his brain at the FUBAR convention. x_x

Don't forget Chris Meledandri.