RWBY General Discussion

Well, TV Tropes also helped ruin my life,.

Edit: Page topper, yay!

For context, we’re talking about how it sometimes can be nice to just enjoy a work and not want to hear criticism, but that it’s also fun to analyze what is wrong and right with a work. And I mentioned that for me since I have a parent with an English major and is a major geek, and another parent who is a literature and drama teacher. And that’s combined with me being a troper so I have analyzing works in my blood.

Edited by powerpuffbats on Sep 23rd 2021 at 4:17:35 AM

So, as a repeat of my previous question. How come the tropes pages for the After the Fall and Roman Holiday novels don't have YMMV pages while Before the Dawn does? The latter I get because it's still rather recent, but the former's been out for years now, so you'd think someone would have made it a YMMV page at this point.

Because people didn’t think it has any tropes to be considered ymmv

There was a page for the former originally, but it was just two entries under Complete Monster that were prematurely added, and when brought to the page clean up after BTD came out, got nixed, meaning the page had no more reason for existing.

Like I said, I feel RWBY is with the start wars prequels level of hate or what I call the hatedom death spiral, were hatimg a series become is own thing, just in the same way you can saw like 5 videos of "star wars is thrash and I will tell you why" the same happen to ruby....yeah I can see the writer pretty damn fucking annoying about it, you can see how in some ways lucas was relief when he sold star wars and be somebody else problem.

And about enjoyed something without analizing....is hard to do for me, one of the few thing i nearly always does when seen something I like is watching tv tropes and wanting to talk abut it, which it kinda get hard depending of the type of show but just "watching and them move on"? no my forte really.

Edited by unknowing on Sep 24th 2021 at 5:09:41 AM

Guys, has anyone ever encountered any Broken Base over Ren in Volume 7? I just spotted this on the YMMV page. Yes, some people don't like Ren's characterisation — but that's PSOC (nothing is ever 100% liked by a fandom). Broken Base is supposed to be for things the fandom is at war over.

Has anyone else encountered any war zones?

• Ren's arc in Volume 7 divided viewers over its quality, in particular his sudden shift to being more obsessed with training and pushing away Nora. Proponents feel that Ren has various backstory reasons for leaning towards siding with Ironwood and being more cold (such as the existental dread about facing Salem, the fear of losing Nora to the mission or a delayed reaction to being forced to relive the traumas of his childhood), but Ren in-series never gets to explain his position and the shift in character coming off Volume 6 felt jarring for many, which also undercut the impact of Ren and Nora finally kissing this season. Volume 7's commentary would see the team admitting that Ren was meant to get such scenes, but they were pushed back to the next volume.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 25th 2021 at 3:30:13 PM

Being honest, all the Broken Base I've seen involving V7 mainly revolves around the Ironwood vs. Teams RWBY debate. I haven't seen anything regarding Ren specifically in terms of divide.

Edited by ssjSega on Sep 25th 2021 at 7:55:09 AM

I've seen quite a few people displeased with Ren's arc, enough to even weigh in on a discussion on Reddit with someone questioning what it even was, but it's not close enough to "Sharp divide in the fanbase" to be a Broken Base.

Yeah, compared to the whole "was Ironwood right or wrong" debacle, Ren's arc isn't really that divisive. Possibly because there isn't much focus on him until he pops in and goes "so this is my stance rn" and we're all like "cool, fam".

Like how he randomly decides he's all for Ironwood in one scene but then we don't get any build up from that. Like, if it was more gradual, then it would make sense.

Edited by Psyga315 on Sep 25th 2021 at 9:04:08 AM

It's part of what he says later, he thinks they are just kids who are inexperienced and thinks they should just listen to the adults, him thinking this about James shows the flaws in his thinking.

And to be fair, he has a point, especially in retrospective.

His biggest achievement was getting to Mistral on foot and all it rewarded him with is a dead end that, had the villains not sabotaged their own plans, would have left them just dead. Yes, he killed the Nuckelavee, but that was on the way to them going to Mistral and, were it not for Nora, would have killed him too.

Their following decision as leader resulted in Argus nearly being invaded by a Grimm armada and how they handled Ironwood was what led to their split up in the first place (namely Yang found Ruby's leadership lacking and wanted to prioritize on the opposite of what she wanted to do) and losing the lamp to Neo (not helped by Ren's own hesitance). This, in turn, led to their at the time predicament where they're stranded in the middle of nowhere and had just lost Oscar to a deadly Grimm. Compared to how they were a few weeks ago, yeah, I can kinda see where Ren is coming from.

Are you guys okay with me removing it from the YMMV page as not being an example?

If so, I'll take it to the Broken Base clean-up thread as a suggestion to remove.

Yeah go ahead

And...What do you mean there following decision led to Argus nearly getting destroyed? Did they brainwash Covordin into being a Psycho?

And, well the rest of that is basically James fault not there's. Basically the main thing that caused stuff to go wrong was James handling of things, saying 'Its all our fault, we should have just listened to the adults', in this scenario, is downright absurd. And he can't answer the simple question of if Ran wanted them to just go along with what Ironwood planned now.

Edited by Snoketrope on Sep 25th 2021 at 5:09:01 AM

You know, I’m unsure of how well the idea of Yang not believing in Ruby sits with me.

I mean I know the circumstances behind Yang falling to Destiny Islands (I’m gonna forever call that beach Destiny Islands) is because she tried to protect Ruby from Neo, and Ruby and Yang do have a heart to heart.

I guess I’ll know when I actually watch Volume 8.

For me, I tend to call the islands they landed in "Magigascar". Combination of Magic and Madagascar.

All that's missing is King Julien and a lemur kingdom.

No, but they stole an airship and had her respond with a mecha attack.

I just call it Destiny Islands I have a weird desire to have RWBY and Kingdom Hearts crossover.

I was saying this to my friend that Volume 8’s ending can create potential crossover fanfics.

Edited by powerpuffbats on Sep 25th 2021 at 9:12:04 AM

Which was her own decision and a massive overreaction given that she took their anti-Kaiju mech to settle a grudge rather than the rational decision of using planes to take down a plane. Teh whole situation was caused by Covordin being irrational and abandoning her post rather than due her actual job.

They didn't 'Have her' Do crap, and stealing the airship was basically there best option.

There only mistake was underestimating how insanely petty and irresponsible Covordin was.

The fact Ren went through that and managed to come out with the take 'We should just listen to the adults' is not a point in his favour.

They stole an airship yes. The proportionate response would have been for Cordovin to send two airships to turn them around or shoot them down if they resist.

Cordovin did not opt for a proportionate response. She opted for the equivalent of using two loaded shotguns to hunt a single fly, inside of a one bedroom apartment. And then the fanbase blamed the fly for SWAT coming in armed to the teeth in response.

Of course, Cordovin answered to the guy who thought it was a good idea to bring an entire military armada to an international school festival meant to celebrate the end of a world war; so I'm now I'm not sure why we ever expected much from her when Atlas up to that point was defined by obscene over-pre-action.

Edited by TheAirman on Sep 26th 2021 at 3:04:59 AM

It's still their fault. It's not as much like a SWAT team arriving because you pulled a shotgun on a fly as if you'd pulled one on an unarmed intruder. Maybe there's blame to be shared, but at most it's to be shared. (Oh, and also, the unarmed intruder was followed by an armed one who killed the doorman.)

No. It is in no way RWBY & Co's fault that the local commanding officer willfully chose to activate the city's largest and most extreme defense in broad daylight, and then remove it from the city, to do a job that should have been assigned to a standard flight sortie.

Grimm are attracted to negative emotions - so tell me: Are the people of Argus flipping out about a stolen ship they have no knowledge of, or seeing a humongous mecha suddenly go live with no warning what so ever? Even if the Leviathan didn't attack because of public reaction, is it taking advantage of one tiny airship suddenly going missing, or is it taking advantage of the defense mechanism built specifically to fight it suddenly going missing? In either case it wouldn't matter if Cordovin had done her bloody job and responded appropriately.

Self Defense law, in real life, requires that a response does not exceed the level of the threat in question. A single stolen airship does not warrant fucking Mecha Godzilla, and RWBY were 100% morally and legally in the right to dismantle that thing given the circumstances in question. Cordovin should have been court-martialed the instant the Grimm threat ended. Hell, the entire Argus military base should have been court-martialed for not stopping her from taking the Colossus out in the first place.

This is the most absurd Ron the Death Eater I've seen here in a while. Is it RWBY's fault also that Ironwood tried to nuke a refugee camp?

Edited by TheAirman on Sep 26th 2021 at 3:31:09 AM

They stole an armed ship. For all Cordovin knew, they could have been planning to fire on Schnee Manor, or the Academy. They might even have been planning to give Argus a little "farewell gift" before going on their way. Also, they had brought down the tower, and the guards weren't responding by radio, because they were dead. She had no reason at all not to think Jaune's crew (since it was his idea) had killed them.

What's more, if someone does escalate force in self-defense, and someone gets hurt, or something gets damaged, in most cases you'll both be charged. And that doesn't apply to insurrection, which this was.

Edited by TwinBird on Sep 26th 2021 at 4:28:08 AM

If she can mobilize the base enough to launch a giant robot while comms are down, she can send two airships to shoot the stolen one down while she keeps the giant robot on site for its intended purpose.

Edited by TheAirman on Sep 26th 2021 at 3:36:28 AM

The Whole Covordin debacle, where the Irresponsible mess who puts a whole city in danger thanks to there irresponsible recklessness Is apparently the one who is just doing what's logical and RWBY are somehow the ones at fault for said recklessness cuz 'Law breakers!' Legit feels like it was foreshadowing the Ironwood stuff.

But yes, it's in no way the Protags fault that Covordin was crazy enough to do something like that. And it's worth noting that the framing Indicates she did that thanks to the Cashews.