RWBY General Discussion

Now that I think about it... Couldn't Weiss technically Summon Marrow? Since it's been stated that Weiss/Winter/any Schnee with their Semblance can Summon anyone they have "defeated in combat", and I don't remember it being specified that they have to be killed in combat...

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No, it has to be someone or something that caused a strong emotional growth in Weiss. Any enemy won't do, each one has to be tied to something that made Weiss grow as a person.

• The Arma Gigas was Jacques' rigged test to try and keep her in his range of control, one that she still surpassed and got her scar from. This was her first asserting of her independence.
• The Boarbatusk was Port's test that brought her issues with Ruby to the forefront, after which her talk with Port and seeing Ruby's attempts at being a better leader led to their deeper bond. This was her first step at defrosting and opening up to others.
• The Queen Lancer was the monster getting in her way of going to see Winter who she thought was in Mistral after she ran away from her home and refused to be under Jacques any longer, one she defeated by finally using the Arma Gigas in combat and proving she could summon too. This was her resolve to no longer be tied to her father and refusal to let anything get in her way.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Feb 13th 2020 at 7:54:28 AM

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Is that ever stated? I remember it being foes vanquished in combat, but no rules about it being important to her as a person. I don't think there ever was a rule like that.

Either that, or Winter had a very significant encounter with a flock of tiny Nevermores at some point in her life, which I now want to know more about.

Also, by that rule, the encounter with Marrow would count, since it's a fight against somebody for the sake of saving her home from the man she believed was an ally and friend, and who was kind of taking a surrogate role for her back in Volume 4. Alongside, you know, being her first victory against a human ever.

From RWBY V3 E4 "Lessons Learned":

Plus, it's unlikely Winter fought a swarm of tiny Nevermore. Winter has already demonstrated in the Weiss character short the ability to summon multiple copies of the same summon for battle, evident by the pack of Beowolves she used to fight Weiss when she only summons the one usually. And Weiss has demonstrated that the summons can change size, with the Arma Gigas occasionally becoming tiny such as when she tried to sneak out of the Branwen's cage or when she had it slash Winter's heel in practice. Winter likely fought one regular Nevermore, and just summons multiple tiny ones for human wave tactics.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Feb 13th 2020 at 8:06:39 AM

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Hm. I never interpreted that as a limit. I took it more as Winter trying to help Weiss' first summon go easier by focusing on enemies that mattered more to her, instead of just any random Grimm she's beaten, as the latter part of that line implies that it's based on your memory of that enemy, so a clearer memory would make for an easier summon. Much like I interpreted the pack of Bewolves Winter summoned to just mean that she's beaten a lot of Bewolves.

Also, the image of Winter just running around killing flocks of tiny birds because one day she thought up the strategy of summoning them as a distraction was too funny for me to accept anything else

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Feb 13th 2020 at 11:16:43 AM

I assumed they could only summon defeated Grimm, though I guess that depends on if they're doing some weird type of necromancy or if they're just copying things with animate ice sculptures.

Also, Weiss facing vernal was probably the worst idea considering that vernal seen to be a tank type of chararter, since vernal is probably the daughter raven never have.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Vernal doesn't appear to have been a tank. She was constantly moving around, throwing her Wind and Fire blades, and taking the initiative in attacking. If anything, she was a DPS fighter.

Side note, but I loved her weapons. Seriously wish characters more often kept the weapons of those that died. Would've been cool seeing her blades wielded by Ren, or Neo claiming Melodic Cudgel alongside Roman's hat.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Feb 13th 2020 at 10:44:23 AM

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Do Emerald and Mercury still have a place in RWBY's plot going forward?

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They are cinder mooks, if anything they are the easier to go on with the plot.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Yeah but I feel like a reunion with Cinder would be meaningless at this point. It'd be like, "okay, they're here. What do we do now?"

• They both had garbage childhoods. So did everybody in the main cast.
• They both have cool weapons. We've seen cooler.
• Well Emerald has a really cool Semblance... except it's narrative purpose is just gone and replaced with Neo's far superior version.
• They've got history with Cinder... who thus far has no history, or any meaningful attachments to any of the main characters outside of cold-blooded murder and rebellion.
• They're her mooks - yeah well Neo is a much more useful mook.
• They'll help her get her re-vengeance - against who? Raven? Ruby? Ruby barely gives a flying fadoodle about Cinder now, and Raven's a no-show. Cinder's a first-world problem at this point.
• They're part of the plot - they're both scared of Salem and barely have a seat at her table, and they pretty much tagged along because Cinder wasn't there. They don't seem to care too much about the grander picutre, or at least Mercury doesn't.

Edited by Soble on Feb 13th 2020 at 10:07:23 AM

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I had a discussion with myself earlier today.

This is what it was like

One part of my mind:You know...why DOES the narrative try to present Cinder as someone who's not as important as she thinks she is? She orchestrated the fall of beacon and the fall of beacon is treated as the In-Universe equivalent of 9/11.

Other Part:The one who actually orchestrated the fall of Beacon was Salem, all Cinder did was follow her instructions and enjoy it. Hence why The protagonists focus is on Salem

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Right now they're effectively teetering between being evil or turning good. Their entire scene in RWBY V6E9 "Lost" was to illustrate that they really don't belong in any of this. They're basically just two traumatized and scared teenagers with nowhere to go, and are forced to make a choice:

• Stay as Salem's lackeys and find some meaning behind what they do
• Try to defect and run off

I fully expect the turning point will be when they reunite with Cinder. It will be the thing that solidifies their stance, since Emerald's only reason for staying is seeing Cinder as a surrogate mom, and Mercury is partially staying for Emerald, partially for having no where else to go. Should Emerald's delusions about Cinder break though, that will be the moment they run off, giving them three options:

• They are killed trying to escape and suffer a Heel–Face Door-Slam.
• They run off and become True Neutral leaving the conflict entirely.
• They escape, and not wanting to constantly be on the run, throw their lot in with the protagonists, having a Heel–Face Turn.

It's something a lot of people have been thinking will happen anyway, since while Mercury is a sociopath and they did have a hand in the Fall of Beacon, the two are still the most sympathetic of the Villains and the ones with the most plausible chance of redemption.

There's also of course the fan theory that Emerald will have her delusion broken if she gets her hands on the Lamp, what with her being based on Aladin and Jinn being a genie basically.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Feb 13th 2020 at 1:50:49 PM

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So a couple things, now that the dust has settled.

• Did we ever find out what the "one line" was? Without Word of God, I'm guessing Ruby's brief spiel before "your mother said the same thing."
• The exchange between Winter and Ironwood from "Cordially Invited," while funny, seems to fly in the face of their characterization in the rest of the volume.
• Of course, the FNKI redesign was a waste (although I take some solace in being right). You'd think they'd have at least been there during the evacuation, having been seen at the comparable point in V3. Somehow, they feel even more thrown aside than if they'd never turned up again.

My posts make considerably more sense read in the voice of John Ratzenberger.

There was a "one line?"

Different note: didn't someone post an analysis about how the Ace-Ops were all fable characters who didn't learn from the lesson of their respective fables? I'd meant to read that.

EDIT: Oh. Thank you Google.

Huh. Neat.

Edited by Soble on Feb 14th 2020 at 6:58:08 AM

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Oh dear.

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There is also the fact that most people there at the time were under the assumption that Vernal was the spring maiden. I think that is part of the reason Weiss focused so hard on summoning.

"When I offered to make Norea my third back-up girlfriend she just glared at me and started throwing things at me.." Renee Costa

That's not much better. Standing stock still and trying to summon in front of a normal enemy is a bad idea. Standing stock still and trying to summon in front of an enemy who not only has normal powers, but supposedly has unfettered access to incredible feats of magic that she can use in an instant.

Like, I get the idea of "Oh shit I'm fighting a Maiden I need support", but you kinda have to work out how you're going to get that support, and Weiss clearly didn't.

So I just had a bit of Fridge Logic regarding Adam in Volume 6.

So, near the end of the volume they reveal that Adam had actually been stalking Blake this entire time, waiting for her to be alone. This has the effect of recontextualizing all those moments where Yang and Blake thought they were having traumatic hallucinations of Adam. Turns out, he was there all along. The fucker was pulling off Slasher villain teleportation.

So... Yang sees a flash of him during their time at the Brunswick Farms (during the whole Apathy event). If Adam was really there... didn't Qrow say they HAD to take shelter in the farmstead or else they would freeze? That there was nowhere else they could reach before nightfall. Does this mean Adam was hiding in a shed or something the entire time they were there? Was HE affected by the Apathy?

Kaze ni Nare!

"Vernal doesn't appear to have been a tank. "

She always move foward, her confrontational way of atacking and destroying the ice barrier, she seen pretty tanky to me, if anything ruby is better as DPS because she is always in move.

That was Yang PDTS, look adam have his volume 3 suit.

HE was in the train.

How the hell he got into argus tower before anyone is another good question.

Edited by unknowing on Feb 14th 2020 at 1:40:48 PM

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

I like how Adam, based on the Beast, essentially became Gaston in the end.

You could've given him all of Gaston's lines from the final fight of Beauty and the Beast, just with the names swapped out, and it probably would've worked. XD

Edited by GNinja on Feb 14th 2020 at 5:44:54 PM

Kaze ni Nare!

The suit thing is easy to explain as Adam actually being there and Yang imagining him in his suit.

And I've always liked to amuse myself with the idea he stood out there in the freezing cold and was just THAT determined

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You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

A Tank is a slow-moving fighter who's focused on defense and can take a lot of hits.

Vernal jumps around a lot, is constantly in movement, and makes quick, strong attacks. She's a Lightning Bruiser, if anything.

Not sure how people here care about the manga, but this chapter seemed interesting considering the recent Volume.

Vernal was a physical Ranged character. Mages like Weiss don't tend to do well against those types/

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