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Eh... I don't think so. I mean, it's possible, but I think the prodigy thing is a clear reference to the merging. We don't know how long the process normally takes, but all the things about Oscar's development that Wyldchyld said are implied to be a result of merging with Ozma. He's remembering centuries of training unconsciously.

As for the first reincarnation, that shouldn't be taken as normal because it wasn't even a merging. A random settler was cowering before a Grimm, and then suddenly he was Ozma, Aura unlocked, and more than capable of handling small fry. The fact that the other guy was so surprised certainly implies nothing special was expected of him.

Edited by Discar on Nov 1st 2019 at 7:46:25 AM

He's gone from I Just Want to Be Normal to reluctantly accepting But Thou Must! to doubting himself - that entire conversation with Ruby - to fighting his own battles - Lionheart - to siding with his new friends over the voice inside of his head, and is now confidently participating in aerial and ground battles.

We didn't know Ozma was a thing until Volume 6 and, really, we don't know much about Ozma beyond "he made a hard choice to fight his wife." We don't know what traits he gained and lost other than, in at least one of his lives, he became The Wizard. Yet in this life he's a young boy who proves to be more heroic/capable than The Wizard seemed to be.

I don't think you meant the train fight so... was this when Oscar mentioned that he's "fought a few Grimm before?" I vaguely remember him describing that.

It seems like "great minds thinking alike" in this case. The video uploader denies this, but also points to their policy on user submissions and their history of giving credit for fan designs in the past. The design was posted in 2015, four years before this comic came out.

And this comic isn't written by the "CRWBY," or is it? If this was just some staff from DC getting pointers from the core RWBY writers I think they can be forgiven for maybe pinching a gun design.

Regardless of what I think it seems they'll probably correct the mistake now that it's out there. But I fear the initial reaction being "stone the art thieves!" rather than "Rooster Teeth made a mistake."

Edited by Soble on Nov 1st 2019 at 7:52:59 AM

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Except its made clear that Ozma was limited by the condition of the body he inhabited. Its why it was a big deal about having Oscar train with RNJR, since his body needed to be able to handle Ozma's muscle memory without tearing itself apart. The random settler however was just taken over by Ozma for the first time, after having already killed a Beowulf with a pitchfork. He then grabs a sword, manages to slash a Beowulf several times before impaling its head and killing it in a matter of seconds. And there was no sign that his body suffered any side effects from Ozma's muscle memory, meaning his body could do that naturally.

I tend to refer to Ozpin as Ozma now, as its been made clear that Ozpin was just the name of the incarnation before Oscar. The voice in Oscar's head, as well as one of the possibly two people in Ozpin's drivers seat is Ozma. So technically speaking, Ozma has been a thing since Volume 4 after Ozpin died. Even then, most of Oscar's stuff has been a case of Show, Don't Tell. Aside from the talk with Ozma in Volume 4, the one talk with Ruby in Volume 5, and his little breakdown after Ozma went dormant in Volume 6, none of Oscar's inner turmoil and resolution is shown onscreen. After yelling at Ozma to "get out of [his] head!" he's called to dinner by his aunt, and next we see he's already come to terms with just uprooting his life and has ran off. The one talk with Ruby is used more as a vehicle for the writers to try and make it seem like Ruby was affected and not undergoing Angst? What Angst?, only to not only fail on that front, but not truly address Oscar's issues. And the little breakdown he had after Ozma went dormant was quickly overshadowed by Maria yelling at everyone to calm down and the group moving off. Even when it seemed like it was gonna be followed up after Jaune lashed out at him and he ran off, instead his resolution was offscreen, and when he's returned he's got new digs and come to terms with eventually suffering a Cessation of Existence. Yes, an AMA on reddit said that Oscar had killed Grimm while working on the farm before. Namely Creeps, the weakest type of Grimm, which is still impressive for him since he's only 14 and had no formal training beforehand. Even his time on the Argus Limited is impressive. The only time Ozma was in control was when discussing the Relic. Oscar was notably in control when dodging and weaving to get to Dudley, and was likely in control when fighting the Manticore. How so? Look at how he fought in comparison to how Ozma fights. Oscar uses The Long Memory as a bashing and slashing weapon, more akin to a club. He also has notable difficulty against the Manticore. Ozma however uses it as a thrusting and striking weapon, more akin to a rapier or saber. And considering the showing he had against Hazel, he likely wouldn't have had much issue with the Manticore.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 1st 2019 at 1:38:56 PM

Vegeta: I'm back bitches!

RWBY volume 7 episode 1 description and thumbnail[1]

Am go to also post this in the First thread

Right, from here on out us FIRST members better keep the spoilers to the other thread.

But to counteract the possibility of spoilers, I hearby declare with absolutely no authority at all that until tomorrow comes I shall post nothing but nonsense spoilers to obscure real ones from you all. Spoilers such as:

• Ruby taming a lion Grimm and using it as her mount
• Yang's arm breaking and her assembling a replacement made out of kitchen utensils and duct tape
• Jaune's hair catching fire and when they put it out it's stuck in his Volume 7 hairstyle.
• Ironwood creating a new line of mech soldiers modelled after Zwei.
• Winter Schnee turns out to be the Summer Maiden. The Winter Maiden turns out to be Summer Rose. The improbability of this has single-handedly kept Salem from discovering the truth for years.
• Qrow kicks his alcohol addiction by switching to caffeine instead. He now has the powers of bird and Oobleck.

• That Jaune thing I honestly wouldn't be shocked should it happen.
• But Ruby already invented the War Corgi!
• Not gonna lie, I'd love to see Qrow hyped up on caffeine like Oobleck, especially when in Crow Form. It would be good for a laugh.

Vegeta: I'm back bitches!

And now you've accidentally spoiled all of Chibi.

Oh shoot you're right.

On an actual spoiler-related note, Kerry has advised people not to watch the intro before the episode. Sounds like there is going to be big spoilers for the first episode in said introduction.

So just like every anime opening. Nothing new there then.

Vegeta: I'm back bitches!

In some neat RWBY news RWBY cameos in the new Doctor Sleep movie might be more then an cameo. [1]

...that's a weird choice, considering Emerald spends most of her time killing innocent people, and not really in a "badass" way - either she distracts them while Mercury and Cinder do the deed, or she tricks someone else (Pyrrha) into doing it.

My posts make considerably more sense read in the voice of John Ratzenberger.

Keep in mind that the novel had her be Dany from Game of Thrones.

The best that can be said about Emerald is that she's clearly having second thoughts. She was disturbed at the Battle of Beacon, disturbed when she watched the Grimm spawn from the Pools, and of course without Cinder around she's not sure why she's still in the tower at all.

But between those moments, she's still killing people. There's no real sign she wants redemption or even to really stop being a bad person. She's just realized she's a rather small shark surrounded by much bigger ones.

What time does RWBY actually air this Volume? I have no idea how to find out that information.

See the secondary reason.

I mostly agree with the observation that most of what we've seen in the 'prodigy' department is due to the merge. However, I also agree with Rebel Faction that the host is originally special even before the pairing occurs. Ozpin did indicate to Oscar that the pairing occurred in the first place because Oscar was already 'not normal' in some fashion.

We just don't know what that means at the moment.

And his Aura, too. Ozpin observed that Oscar needed to train both his body and Aura to be able to handle the Ozma inheritance.

Technically, I suspect Ozma has been a thing ever since Ruby's 'It's like he wasn't even here' comment in Volume 1.

However, a big thing with Oscar is the idea that he's going to be completely taken over by Ozma and cease to exist. That's the way the kids are all looking at it right now, despite Jinn pointing out that Ozma did learn to live side by side with his hosts (and implying that the inventor who created the cane was the big example of that).

I believe that Ozpin is going to turn out to be another example of Ozma and the host living side-by-side. Nobody's actually asked in-universe how much of Ozpin was Ozma and how much the host. But they're also not processing the full story that Jinn told, they're only processing the bit where Salem is 'unkillable' and Ozpin doesn't know what to do about that.

As a result, while I refer to Ozma when talking about the original and the reincarnation through the hosts (and hosts we don't know the names of), I refer to Ozpin as Ozpin because I think they were living together rather than Ozma overwhelming that particular host.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 2nd 2019 at 12:47:14 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

I don't think Ozma and his hosts live side by side. They merge, it's just that the merge is in the host's favor. Ozpin told Oscar that he once woke up with a voice in his head and eventually inherited those memories and abilities. He didn't have a voice advising him at the end, he was just a single person. Ozma isn't taking over his hosts either; sort of the opposite. The host gains all of the accumulated knowledge and intelligence, but they remain themselves in the important respects.

My thought was that Oscar is basically the exact same person as Ozpin, just minus millennia of memories. If Ozpin had never died and he had met Oscar at some point, people would have noticed that they were very similar. So that makes it a little hard to tell who is the one in the body after the merge is complete and the host has all of Ozma's memories. But the fact that Ozpin identifies as Ozpin, and his thing about going through the same situation as Oscar, definitely makes me think that the host is the dominant one.

I feel like I'm not articulating myself very well.

Rooster Teeth is putting RWBY Volume 6 on You Tube.

RWBY: Volume 6, Chapter 1: Argus Limited

I just watched the newest episode and... wow. I certainly didn't expect Qrow to kill Oscar just like that. This might impact the rest of Volume 7 negatively, though I guess we have to just wait and see.

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.

Rather than spoiler-tag everything you type there's a thread for people with FIRST descriptions.

(2) ...and this after they said Volume 6 would be on RT exclusively. Decent of them.

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Its a troll post. But yeah, discussion belongs in the First thread.

Edited by TheAirman on Nov 2nd 2019 at 10:43:47 AM

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They've also been putting the film versions of the volumes onto You Tube as well, albeit slowly. (RWBY Complete.)

Yes, they do merge. And, yes, it sort of can be seen as being in the host's favour. I'm not talking about a literal 'living side by side' or a split personalities sort of thing. I'm talking about identity and the ability to switch between the experiences and memories that make up a certain identity. The issue surrounding Oscar is whether he will be forever lost. The point Jinn raises and the two forms of the inventor raise is that this doesn't have to be the case. The experiences and memories of Ozma and all his hosts exist but the memories and experiences of the host aren't lost or de-valued in favour of Ozma's. I believe this was so for Ozpin, and therefore it will be for Oscar, too.

Ozpin indicated the important factor was choice. Ozpin didn't originally choose this life but, eventually, he did. Since there appears to be no choice in Oscar pairing with Ozpin in the first place (unless there's an aspect to Ozma being able to chose someone who is in his final thoughts, as with the Maidens, and Oscar was just the random jump scenario), the choice must come from how they share his body, how they share identity, and therefore how they live their life.

What Ozpin seems to do is always talk in terms of 'I' or 'me'. However, sometimes that 'I' is Ozma, sometimes it's their entire united self, and sometimes it's the host. So, when he tells Oscar he has grave responsibilities to uphold, he's speaking as a single entity (Ozma+host). When he tells Oscar about experiencing the same fear and confusion, he's speaking as the host. It's just a question of which memories and experiences he's discussing at the time because it's all 'him' either way.

It is very hard to articulate thoughts where the subject of Ozma and his relationships with his hosts are concerned, so I don't believe I'm articulating myself very well either. However, I do think we're seeing this in a very similar way. We're just using different language to describe it which creates slightly different nuances rather than entirely different ideas.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 2nd 2019 at 1:10:58 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

Is hard to said, because is clearly not the case of Ozma fusing with the current soul and consuming or overating but is not a Avatar case of gestalt identity, it seen more a sort of synchronization, when both are in the same page they are one but the less they split, kinda like Ass creed to put an example.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

We can't say how the soul transference works in practice, but Jinn also talks about Ozma and his later hosts as if they were the same person, and at this point the imbalance in terms of the amount of memories and experiences that Oz has versus his hosts, whichever way things go is clearly leaning towards the newest hosts being just drops in the bucket. In-Universe most of the characters who know about Oz's reincarnation treat him as having been the same person between each life.

While he was technically lying when he said he was cursed by the Gods, Oz definitely seems to think of his condition as such, and I'm guessing the fact his hosts have no real choice in the matter of being dragged into his Sisyphean mission is a big part of that. I think the Fridge Horror elements of Ozma are absolutely intentional; he made an ill advised deal with a higher power that very likely had an ulterior motive, and now he's trapped in a cycle of death, pain, and failure, given a mission that may be Unwinnable by Design, and whether he wants to or not he drags others into his nightmare simply by virtue of existing.

What is the moral of all this:

We need public healthcare people, he fucking got sick and all this problems stared because of it.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Eh, the sickness thing was pretty much the same aesop that happens in a lot of stories that involve magic. At some point, you learn that magic cannot cure sickness and either cannot or must not reverse death.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

Except when said god used magic to do just that....TWICE and them give said man the power to come back with another body or grant a woman inmortality.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"