RWBY General Discussion

Yeah, most entertainment studios don't give away their content for free after any period of time. FIRST members could get the content two years ahead of anyone else and it would still be unusually generous of Rooster Teeth as a content creator.

Posted it already on the White Fang character page, posting it here for more feedback:

How about giving Adam the "Narcissist" label? I mean, he seems to be meeting all the requirements from the trope description:

1. The character's personality is overtly permeated by his/her own grandiosity. The only time he shows any kind of humility is when he bows down to Sienna, which could easily be an act both times. He has Cinder an co. kneel before him during their first meeting, hands down orders from an elevated throne and his theme song is all about how he sees himself as some sort of great hero.

2. The character is self-absorbed to the point that they consistently prioritize their own desires at others' expense. YES

3. The character is extremely self-conscious of how he/she is perceived by others. He manages to build himself good publicity among the White Fang and he kept Blake largely ignorant of his, ekhem, amoral tendencies for quite a while, showing that he knows a thing or two about manipulating people. Granted, almost everyone abandons him eventually, but that only comes after the Sanity Slippage. As for unwilligness to take responsibility part... "The Belladonna name has brought me nothing but grief"

4. The character has an insatiable appetite for acclaim and power. Definitely has a thing for power judging from how eager he is to replace Sienna as a high leader. As for acclaim, see the paragraph No.1. Also he visibly enjoyed getting cheered on after saving Ghira, though that isn't that weird in itself.

I don't want to add the trope right away from fear of starting an Edit War or something.

That'd be a little absurd from a business perspective, no?

It would be absurd for Rooster Teeth, because that's too long of a gap to maintain hype (which is what the free members do). But imagine a traditional company making everything free after two years. Imagine going on iTunes and not having to pay anything for anything over two years old. It'd be surreal.

That's not what I did, though. I said it was scummy of them to hide the announcement behind a video calling Youtube out, especially since it was an announcement that walked back on a promise they made stating the opposite.

I agree with this. From a business perspective, that's exactly what they should be doing. I may not like the idea of not offering the episodes for free after three days, but I understand why they do it and I'm not against it. I just don't like the idea.

I haven't watched the video, but it seems perfectly reasonable to me bring up a business change to potentially increase revenue, in a video about why they're losing a source of revenue.

It's unfortunate, but you're coming off as sort of undeservedly entitled here.

What I dislike is that they just throw that little bit there, in between moments calling Youtube out, when this is information that should be getting a bit more attention thrown at it. I don't personally care when they release it for free, I just think that it feels a bit shady to throw out a piece of information they are aware has some contention to it as a small mention in-between a different announcement.

And given that I've made it clear I agree with their decision to change the schedule, I don't see how it's fair to say I'm being entitled, when all I did was express a dislike for the method they used to announce that.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Sep 18th 2018 at 12:33:39 PM

Tobias: about Phyrra and ozpin, while he ask is consent, the way he does is shady: he just goes and suddenly reveal the entire reason she fight is WAAAAAAAAAY bigger and land a responsability on her head, is kinda like asking someone to marry you in while television, saying no would look pretty damn awfull, specially since even them Ozin is still kinda keaping secret about the whole nature between Ozin and Salem war, specially when is clear that both now each other.

the best way to look is kinda like Obi wan lying about Luke: you can said he is a good guy both he method can be questionable at times.

And I like Adam short, while he didnt show anything new it finally conect everything in one place, since after all that have being Adam problem: he have being jumping from one chararterization to another:

Black Trailer-He is ruthless and Uncaring about human casualty, I find him very cold in the way he said it.

S2 Stinger: it show he is on board with Salem, even to the point he shurg the death of white fang and their faliure, at this point you can said he just betray everything he stood for.

S3 ep6: It show that awfull as he is, at least he adhere to a sort of standar about not dealing with human and he was bully into it, that kind let you think he sort of noble demon or a least sympathic radical.....

S3ep 11:Right until he start rating like a maniac about Blake, how everything he did was for her and acting a lot like Kylo ren, it is really dificult to actually think he did give a damn about the cause at all.

Season 5: In general I think this is the worst point for Adam because he sort of cold and ruthless persona is erase into this anger maniac who get punk in the most stupid way posible(specially since Blake manage to somehow sneak more people in front of everyone).

This short kinda conect everything: He feel he is the hero, he create this persona and sort of identity around it and the more he does the bigger it grow, in fact his atempt at gaslighting Blake feel more a defense mechanism for is ego, that he feel "hurt" by Blake acusation that he have to hurt her in return to kept things in check.

Also I dont think Adam is hurt by the fight but is mind is: in one night Blake pretty much shatter Adam imagine he built around himself about being a hero in a crusade and even "stole it" from him, I think is symbolic in that now we are going to see the "real" Adam right now.

In fact, I kinda wandering if Spite is a good way to see him as Blake describe it, if anything it seen delusion of grandour.

Poster for Volume 6◊ with a close-up.◊

...what worries me is that the background is clearly Mistral, which makes me think that the team will spend a part of the volume still bumbling about there. Hopefully not, since I don't believe there's anything left for them here and giving us daily life of Mistral now would be strange, to say the least.

Well, it's been mentioned that Winter is in Mistral (that's why Weiss was going there, she could not know Team RNJR and Yang were there, unless she read the script like Yang in episode 13)

I feel like they should have held back on making Ruby's cloak tattered - having a clean, untattered cape would have really brought the "Little Red Riding Hood" look together in this poster. I feel like they just wanted to make her and Qrow aesthetically closer in Volume 4, but Ruby hasn't really gone through the character development to make that sort of costume change all that meaningful.

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So we're still in Mistral, Ruby is still in a combat skirt with high leggings ^note It's like they're not even trying to hide the fact that she's a fair-skinned girl with legs anymore, they certainly stopped giving a crap about Weiss, there are no new outfits or characters, and the gang looks all happy and ready to kick butt like no character development has happened at all.

• Compared to Volume 2's poster where Ruby looked uncharacteristically serious and we met our villains.
• And Volume 3's poster where we saw the tournament arena at last after two volumes of build-up, giving us the impression that the Volume would center around the event.
• Not to mention the insanely more badass-looking Volume 3 poster from the Japanese DVD release, with Ruby facing Cinder (even though they don't really fight).
• The Volume 4 poster where Team RWBY was separated and looking forlorn, with team RNJR behind Ruby about to enter some new part of the world.
• And the Volume 5 poster with all these characters old and new presumably about to face off, all these main characters with villains standing over them with intense, foreboding expressions.
• Then you look at Volume 6's relatively unimpressive poster and... Blake's doing her best boobs and butt pose◊, I guess? Everything's okay, Team RWBY is going on another adventure!

I suspect this may be a breather season after the incredible terror Volume 5 instilled in us after Adam was savagely beaten by his abusive, domestic terrorist, ex-catgirlfriend Blake Belladonna.

^note Yang is officially the only main character I have no way to make fun of or any negative traits/narrative roles to harp on about... no, no wait, wait. Detachable, vibrating, gold-plated prosthetic arm.

Edited by Soble on Sep 19th 2018 at 3:39:34 AM

Because there was so much pulse-pounding action during the last volume... All that tension over whether or not they would still be in the same house on the next episode or not...

By the way, I'm pretty sure that japanese poster for Volume 3 was fan-made, and they decided to make it official and use it there, which is pretty cool.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Sep 19th 2018 at 9:50:05 AM

That was a fanmade poster? Neat.

Well, the crew is back together and they've just scored themselves a victory (if an underserved one), so I guess it makes sense they're not particularly tense and ready for action.

Again, the Mistral background has me worried. The only things left there are Adam - who's so unimportant at this point, there's no real point chasing him - and Winter, if she hadn't been evacuated to Atlas already. I suppose there's still an issue of working out the Relic itself, but I don't think they'll have to sit a whole volume over it trying to open it or whatever.

It's possible this is some sort of placeholder poster. The poses here look a bit like the ones used as teasers for previous volumes (Observe, Volume 5◊), just patched together to garner hype for the official trailer.

Could be. This is the first time I've seen them get a billboard poster, so it could just be a placeholder/"get hyped" kind of image. There's precedent for the group being less stressed (especially Yang).

Still, this poster looks too happy. If I don't get a scene of Ruby saying "F-ck Qrow," to the camera before ripping some dude's face off, I'm declaring this Volume a failure and moving on.

Edited by Soble on Sep 19th 2018 at 6:31:11 AM

Maybe this volume will be something ala Volume 4, and the whole thing will be about their trip to Atlas, since everybody loved the last time they did that.

As for the poster, you might be right about it being a placeholder, but then, they did put it as a billboard, and that doesn't sound to me like something you would to with a placeholder poster.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Sep 19th 2018 at 10:26:16 AM

Not anymore, she's not. Vernal mentioned when Weiss was being held captive that Winter had returned to Atlas.

That said, there is some cleanup to do. I'd be surprised if we're actually done with Raven, for one thing. And there's Adam slinking off; it'd be kind of awkward to wrap that up in Atlas.

It's both. They aren't mutually exclusive. The removal or destruction of choice is standard villain fare.

That's not even close to what I'm saying.

7xI think that's a good idea but I think the recap page should be edit when the episode first comes out.

I think that's a fair compromise. It allows FIRST members to trope while keeping it contained from the general public — no-one should be visiting Recap pages unless they want to be spoiled.

The main question is, how do we actually do it. It sounds like something we need mod approval for, even if we're the ones who do the work to maintain it.

That's not why it's shady. It's what Qrow says that makes it shady — Pyrrha has to agree before they'll tell her the rest so she can't make a fully-informed decision. They tell her just enough to make it clear the fate of the world rests on her decision, but they don't tell her anything about Salem or the Relics or the fact that some Maidens get crushed by the pressure of the responsibility. They don't even tell her that Ozpin has personal experience of what it's like to get your body hijacked by someone else's soul, Aura and consciousness.

In Volume 5, Raven gives us the same impression — she made a choice, then she started building her knowledge and the more she learned, the less she liked. She makes it sound like she re-evaluated her original decision on the basis of new information that Ozpin had effectively withheld from her from the outset.

When we see Ozpin give the kids a choice later in the volume, what Raven's indicates does indeed unfold — he gives them about 10 seconds in which to make a life-altering decision, but only after he's impugned the honour of anyone who does re-evaluate their decision on the basis of new knowledge. Fortunately, Yang calls him out on that but it's still obvious they've made a rush decision on the basis of not enough information. After all, they don't even learn what Salem looks like until the volume finale, and none of them have asked why the gods felt it was Ozpin's responsibility to deal with Salem in the first place (which is the critical piece of information that we're missing because it will almost certainly explain everything).

The bandits told Weiss that Winter had returned to Atlas with the rest of the Atlesian forces when Ironwood closed the Atlesian border. That may or may not be true — the bandits could have lied or they could have been misinformed. The indication was that Winter was keeping an eye on Leo, so she could be keeping a low profile. There are reasons why she could still be in Mistral despite what the bandits said. I hope not, given that Weiss is supposed to be learning to stand on her own two feet, but it's possible.

Well, there are a number of things that might be needed before the Atlas trip kicks off — Team JNPR giving Pyrrha's family closure, Sun and Ilia deciding whether to stay or join with the group, possibly some politics to first resolve given that the Mistral and Atlesian councils were apparently communicating with each other, and the Menagerie chief is in town sticking his oar into Haven's fate.

None of this needs to take long — from the fandom's perspective, Pyrrha's family would be the key event — but it would lay the ground work for who is going to Atlas, what is being left behind, and potentially what political situation they may be walking into when they get to Atlas.

There's also the question of what state Oscar will be in at the start of the volume given that he collapsed at the end of Volume 5, and Qrow did seem quite surprised by the state Oscar was in. They also need to plan how they're going to travel with the Relic, especially since it seems to 'leak', which I'm sure will mean that people in proximity will be affected by its power, which I'm betting will cause its own set of problems for them. It's the Relic of Knowledge, after all, and knowledge can be a very dangerous thing.

Agreed. Especially if Ruby is heading for a future emotional collapse (and I think she is — everything does seem to be set up for that to eventually happen). It would be easy enough to put holes in her stockings, but save the cloak for a later time.

I suppose, however, that a significant act that would depict her state of mind in the event of a collapse would be taking the cloak off and discarding it, but someone retrieving the cloak without her knowledge and keeping it safe just in case she ever wants to come back in, cue the significant return and re-robe. I'm sure there's a trope for this.

Of course, the Volume 6 poster has removed the holes from Ruby's stockings. I'm really not a fan of this poster. I'm not a fan of any volume posters except for Volume 4's. However, this poster looks like the fan-made posters where fans just cut images of the team from somewhere and photoshop them onto a background with some text splashed around. Would that make it a temporary poster? I hope so because otherwise it'll become my least liked volume poster. Plus, there are body shaping errors in Ruby and Blake's positioning (Blake's chest and Ruby's bent leg). Blake's may be not as noticeable given her location on the poster, but Ruby's design is glaring — the bent leg is so prominent that the mistake takes over the entire picture.

For me, the worst thing about the poster are their expressions and stances. They've got those hyper-cheerful-cute action expressions associated with advertising Shonen girls to teenage boys. It's better suited to the tournament arc or Volume 1, and I'm not sure even then. But, as I said, I don't really like any of the volume posters aside from Volume 4's.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 19th 2018 at 11:20:24 AM

In Volume 5, Raven agrees with Cinder's plan to get the Relic of Knowledge because it gives her an opening to steal it for herself. As such, she sets Vernal, Qrow, Ozpin and Team RWBY (yes, that includes her daughter) up so that she can carry out her own plan; unfortunately for Raven, Yang foils her plans and takes the Relic herself. Would that count as an example of Lured into a Trap or would a different trope apply here?

Edited by gjjones on Sep 19th 2018 at 12:15:15 PM

Yeah, the poster seen weird consider is supper peppy and cheery while all other poster have being serious.

Also, After having seen the Adam short, it leave me wondering if Spite is the right way to chararterize him after all, I didnt feel any spite coming forom him but rather delusions of grandeur and a sense that faunus fight is also HIS crusade for atention, he thinks liberation of the faunus is calling.

Hell if anything is atempt to gaslighting Blake seen a sort of defense mechanism because Blake did not only question is tactics but whatever idea he project on others, If anything he was honest about being afraid Blake dosent belive in him, just in a diferent context, him stumbling for me is more about is mental state since Blake pretty much shatter is big moment.

What do you guys think about it?.

I think Adam is drunk on his own hype. He's infatuated with an idea. Not the Idea of Blake or the Idea of the White Fang or even the Idea of a Faunus Future. He's infatuated with the Idea of Adam. Adam, the glorious hero who saved the faunus from their terrible situation. Adam, the incredible warrior whose skills are unparalleled in all the world. Adam, the perfect boyfriend that Blake would never turn her back on.

He let the respect and admiration of the White Fang go to his head. He fell in love with the way people saw him. Now he lashes out violently at anything that detracts from the Myth of Adam and drags him back down to a humanized level.

But that's just my impression of the guy. It will be very interesting to see how he handles being not just on the run, but disgraced. Who will Adam be when there's no one left to revere him?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 20th 2018 at 2:46:08 AM

The version of Adam that exists only in his own head is Enjolras.

Edited by SonOfSharknado on Sep 20th 2018 at 5:09:49 AM

No. She's already been covered by the relevant trope — she was trying to Take a Third Option.

There is a possible story deconstruction of Lured into a Trap (given Watts' warnings) which is enacted by the trope's most common agent (Leo pretending to want to discuss assaulting the Branwen Tribe), triggered by two reasons (Raven's and Cinder's), which, as predicted by Watts, fails for multiple reasons (Leo didn't expect so many protagonists or for them to be fully armed; Cinder fails to confront Ruby because she's attacked by Jaune, Ruby's unconscious by the time she's dealt with Jaune, she has to prioritise the Relic upon realising Ozpin's present, and then she loses a fight to Raven; Raven fails to steal the Relic because her own daughter shames her into fleeing in disgrace; the Menagerie force has the common sense to bring the Mistral Police Force to the school).

I didn't have any feedback on my sandbox (see the post here). Do you guys mind if I go ahead and change all the page and character quotes from song lyrics to proper character quotes?

I'll bring the trope entries that rely on song lyrics here and discuss them one by one.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 20th 2018 at 12:02:51 PM

What Raven REALLY Thinks of Cinder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT7lVTjGBvs

And she's still a terrible mother.

Just realized if Raven did off Cinder for real, then she would be a murderer. I know Team RWBY is non-violence like most shounen heroes so...

Edited by Mizerous on Sep 21st 2018 at 3:27:16 PM