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sirboulevard NCR Ranger from New California Republic Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
NCR Ranger
Jan 9th 2013 at 3:54:57 PM

From Bethesda? Yes.

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Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under
Ding-ding! Going down...
Jan 9th 2013 at 3:56:09 PM

From Bethesda? Yeah.

Edit: Yo, snap!

They've got a design policy to eschew the kind of plotting that New Vegas was interested in. Which is such a mistake for open world games. There's a big difference between the gameworld being emergent and it being empty.

edited 9th Jan '13 3:56:30 PM by Nicknacks

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AStrayBard Sega's Last Hope from 867-5309 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Sega's Last Hope
Jan 9th 2013 at 3:58:15 PM

It's a shame, too; the Capital Wasteland was a fun place to explore. Pair it with New Vegas' story-telling, and it could have been great.

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MikeBreezy92 Storm King Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
Storm King
Jan 9th 2013 at 3:59:04 PM

If it wasn't a rehash of the first two game's plots it could've been better on its own.

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Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under
Ding-ding! Going down...
Jan 9th 2013 at 3:59:56 PM

Plus, I don't know how kindly they'll take to one or two of the retcons. Fallout 3 was mentioned very often in New Vegas, but only twice positively.

The dumb dumbs, yeah?

edited 9th Jan '13 4:00:24 PM by Nicknacks

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MikeBreezy92 Storm King Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
Storm King
Jan 9th 2013 at 4:07:03 PM

What do you mean twice positively?

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Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under
Ding-ding! Going down...
Jan 9th 2013 at 4:15:18 PM

There's The Wasteland Survival Guide (which I guess is a back reference to Fallout 2, but it's the Moira version from Fallout 3) and there are the references to Colonel Autumn and Broken Steel in general, in Lonesome Road.

Oh I guess there's the Tranquillity Lane houses in Old World Blues, but I wonder if that was just reusing the assets with no greater purpose. I guess they could be implying that Doctor Braun had previously worked at Big Mountain.

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DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland
Coin Operator
Jan 9th 2013 at 4:25:52 PM

Point Lookout had made some mention of politics and backstabbing in the fields of Scientific Research (which is pretty much in keeping with the 50s styles) so it might just be suggesting that the Think Tank and other scientists like those pre-war guys like Desmond have similar styles of thinking.

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Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under
Ding-ding! Going down...
Jan 9th 2013 at 4:28:06 PM

Down to building the same houses? Were they all working from the same Feng Shui catalogue?

edited 9th Jan '13 4:28:32 PM by Nicknacks

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lightdarkhero250 Quad Optometrist from Somewhere Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Jan 9th 2013 at 4:35:12 PM

What were the less positive mentionings of FO 3 in New Vegas?

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rmctagg09 The Wanderer (he/him) from Brooklyn, NY Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer (he/him)
Jan 9th 2013 at 4:37:30 PM

They made fun of the concept of mind-controlled Deathclaws and Liberty Prime, those are two I remember.

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MikeBreezy92 Storm King Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
Storm King
Jan 9th 2013 at 4:41:40 PM

So where was the negative references to the Fallout 3?

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DevilTakeMe Coin Operator from Wild Wasteland
Coin Operator
Jan 9th 2013 at 4:42:22 PM

[up][up] It wouldn't be a big leap to say that the design was reused in-universe. The design may have simply been reused a couple times.

It's use in Tranquility Lane is as a software simulation aimed at showing off what would happen in the case of a Communist Chinese Invasion. Higgs' Village may have been built for a similar purpose, but then reused as the private living quarters for the scientists.

As for Fallout 3 in New Vegas? Most of the references are pretty positive (Obsidian didn't bite the hand that feeds it, afterall). The differences are that New Vegas retroactively explained many the differences between Fallout 1 and 2 with how things happened in Fallout 3 as a way to smooth over the differences.

The difference in weapon designs, etc. are explained with the Q-35 Matter Modulator as a prototype for the plasma rifle you see in the Capital Wasteland.

There's references to Col. Autumn and the Hellfire Power Armor program in Lonesome Road, contained in ED-E's audio files.

Liberty Prime appears in New Vegas, in the painting of Robert House in front of Liberty Prime's feet. The only minor negative comment might by Yes Man's assumption that there might be a giant robot similar to Liberty Prime under the Fort, instead of a robot army. It's just the way it's said that might be negative, but isn't really.

edited 9th Jan '13 4:44:28 PM by DevilTakeMe

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MikeBreezy92 Storm King Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
Storm King
Jan 9th 2013 at 4:44:19 PM

Yo....companion talking deathclaw.....let's go....evil grin

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ShadowScythe from Australia
Jan 9th 2013 at 4:47:27 PM

I don't know that this counts as a 'negative' reference to Fallout 3 but they do heavily nerf the Fallout 3 Plasma rifle into a pretty crappy low tier weapon and then bring back the original Fallout 1/2 Plasma Rifle and call it the Plasma Caster and make it far superior.

The deathclaws thing is a Fallout tactics reference iirc.

This however is a much more blatant take that at Liberty Prime and Fallout 3's final quest.

edited 9th Jan '13 4:52:43 PM by ShadowScythe

Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under
Ding-ding! Going down...
Jan 9th 2013 at 4:48:01 PM

Hmm, maybe I was wrong. I remembered more retcons.

Like calling all the Wasteland Supermutants Dumb Dumbs.

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rmctagg09 The Wanderer (he/him) from Brooklyn, NY Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer (he/him)
Jan 9th 2013 at 4:59:58 PM

[up][up] That's what I was talking about.

Liberty Prime: "LESSER MAN" THIS, COMMUNIST!

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edited 9th Jan '13 5:00:28 PM by rmctagg09

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MikeBreezy92 Storm King Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
Storm King
Jan 9th 2013 at 5:10:25 PM

Since Liberty Prime(and by extension Yes-Man) is a House invention. I see the lesser man line a lot funnier than it should be....and I like house.

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
Jan 9th 2013 at 5:23:17 PM

The "Dumb-dumbs" were the second generation Mariposa super mutants. I don't think the Vault 87 variant was even mentioned in New Vegas.

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ShadowScythe from Australia
Jan 9th 2013 at 6:26:53 PM

[up][up]House only made Liberty Prime for the lesser beings while keeping the Securiton Master Race for himself.

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Jan 9th 2013 at 6:30:42 PM

Imagine if a Mqai the Liar expy were made for Fallout???

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MikeBreezy92 Storm King Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
Storm King
Jan 9th 2013 at 6:38:34 PM

Lesser being referring to House's current condition but yeah lol

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Vertigo_High Touch The Sky
Touch The Sky
Jan 9th 2013 at 6:41:47 PM

New Vegas is boring for me, even moreso than FO 3(which I didn't like initially) was the first time. I keep saying maybe it'll grow on me but it just doesn't seem to happen. Maybe FO 4 will be better.

MikeBreezy92 Storm King Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
Storm King
Jan 9th 2013 at 6:47:16 PM

It won't Don't force yourself to like things..

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