Marvel's Avengers Assemble

/Here, I gave examples about the sites... Yeah, I was a smug in my expressions... And I would like to apologize for this.

I said this above because I doubt Marvel Animation is closing until it is oficially announced that it's closed.

All I can do is to just wait...

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Mar 11th 2019 at 11:10:45 AM

Actually, I give up and correct what I previously said. I have just watched the video in question.

And man, I am feeling so awkwardly bad about what I said. I am so sorry, folks...

If you asked me, the biggest problem is that things just happen in this "shared universe" with no rhyme or reason. They expect you to be familiar with the MCU and at the same time they choose to omit details when it conveniences them. It's beyond asinine to expect me to care for characters waving "because MCU."

They're not even internally consistent. When Ultimate Spider-Man ended and Marvel's Spider-Man took its place, the more recent product gets to have crossovers with Avengers Assemble despite not making a lick of sense within continuity.

Let's get off the promotional, shared universe stuff. What gets on my nerves tends to be the art. Even in colorful scenarios like deep sea or deep space, the art always feels like it is washed out or muted as if to keep a realistic and gritty feel to it. Animation 101 says cartoons =/= live action.

Then there is the overall story. While it has its moments, Black Panther's Quest being among their better stories (not saying much), there is just too much that happens off screen. Avengers looking for heroes all over the world? Discarded off screen. The Cabal? Dissolved off screen ... until later seasons.

Edited by Dr.XXX on Mar 12th 2019 at 11:02:40 AM

It's fine, man.

I was a bit snotty too, so I apologize for that.

When it was pointed out that the backgrounds were CGI stills throughout all the shows, I could not stop noticing that, because it only made the animation feel worse. It doesn't help it's mostly the same ugly shade of grey for the most part.

I think you can do CGI backgrounds without jarring, since Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (no matter what people feel about that show) manages to do that blend really well, even though it's usually in New York at nighttime. The world also feels a lot more alive, which helps too.

Wow, it took this show dying for people to actually talk about it. Well, more like talk around it, no one's really talking about episodes characters, whatever... Do you know that this is longest running Marvel cartoon yet? With only Ultimate Spider-Man getting close? For DC the longest is Teen Titans Go and if it keeps going it might beat it, though its one of those "we lose no matter who wins" stuff, isn't it?

Funny thing is that last season...I cant say if it did or did not got any better but it changed its writing. Not just Darker and Edgier but also...Maturier? Basically they went "Yeah, we're like Justice League, Young Justice, Avengers, all the shows you like. Have a ongoing narrative with little filler, actual deaths, morally ambiguous characters, political struggles, incidents that have long time consequences!" Not saying they turned into big cartoon, but they sure started emulating one. More successfully than just stealing scenes and quotes from MCU without context at least.

Animation got better. It's not great but it did. Mostly when it comes to character designs, they're did more than just taking stuff straight from movies or comics. For comparison, Panther season 3-4◊, Panther season 5◊. Spider-Man also did that, but honestly, I didn't like most of their designs, while here, they've actually got some good hits, even vast improvements. For example, White Wolf from comics has terrible design, it's just White Panther With W And Cape.◊ Cartoon version has Panther-inspired, yet original look.◊ And Killmonger? His comic look is meh, and one would expect he would just get his Golden Jaguar from film, but no. He actually looks pretty badass.◊ Killer Shark I dont love, Zemo is at least original.◊

BTW this was purely Panther season, with Avengers appearing as relevant guest stars every now and then. And most of them got kicked out without explanation, including Hulk and Falcon, and this is after all their work they did last season giving him MCU—itis.

I dont really want to talk about plot. You all already heard that they used new cartoon Spider-Man instead of old one, or maybe heard that Thor ditched helmet and grew beard, but in last episode he also showed up with Stormbreaker and eyepatch (great, they're even bad at copying movies). I could mention how silly it is to bring into show Zanda, when they already had Zarda and Zartra, or how odd it is for Attuma to suddenly become morally ambiguous Namor Expy.

But, nah, let's talk if my prediction was right: Not really! This time pointless fight with super-jacked up MCU villain happened mid-way season, not at the end. What a curveball! See, Panther met Zemo who claimed that he realized that his father was an asshole (continuing plot from one of better Season 3 episodes) and that he's a changed man. Panther recruits him to help with organization that Zemo Senior was part of, and we get a lot of this "Can we trust him? Oh no, we shouldn't have trust him! Never mind, he trustworthy" stuff and not much else from him. Then, psych, he was evil after all, zero character development was achieved and once Panther removes McGuffin from him, Killmonger quickly kills him off. And in case you forgot, this is the very same trick they did with Loki last season.

Though, they did have a obligatory pointless extra episode after big climax. Once Panther Big Plot was wrapped someone remembered that this show used to be about Avengers, so they went together to fight Madame Masque. Episode was called "House of M" because... well, beats me. Now we're taking comic stuff out of context?

To be honest, I was genuinely enjoying the show UNTIL the mid-season stuff happened, where the boring Zemo "twist" occurred and we had the Avengers and T'challa all being stupid because the plot said so. The show's writing got sloppy after that and never recovered.

Also, I was annoyed the show didn't focus enough on Wakanda. For all the hype, we barely saw it. The only BP villain we didn't see outside of the comics was Zanda. The rest we've seen before or were regular Marvel villains. I wanted Achebe dammit.

Edited by GamerSlyRatchet on Mar 14th 2019 at 8:57:12 AM

I've been back and forth with this series.

Not sure how Panther Quest has been since I haven't always been able to catch it.

I'm mostly here because I was re-watching old eps of EMH and it still holds up pretty well. Being too tied to the MCU probably hurt this series a bit I'd say.

It may have somewhat grown the beard, not unlike Ultimate Spiderman, but that probably still isn't quite as good as the series that came before it...just like Ultimate Spiderman in fact.

We did get Jane Foster Thor though. That was cool and Black Panther pretty much got a season to himself. That's not too shabby either.

Though I don’t exactly consider Jane-Thor “cool”.

Man those screenshots of Panther Quest, fuck this series constant use of a muted art-style.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 14th 2019 at 10:23:41 AM

Yeaaah, based on what's being described it does seem like this show got somewhat better but still was "meh" at best. I will admit the art was much more enjoyable though. And God do I hate when they have a villain seemingly do a Heel–Face Turn only to have him still be evil after all. That's just cheap.

The second half the Black Panther's Quest was just sloppy. Again, things just happen for the sake of plot even if the plot doesn't make sense Attuma's daughter suddenly trusts Tiger Shark then turns on him the moment White Wolf dies and suddenly gives up her vendetta against Wakanda, Bask suddenly stops being this psychotic warlord and tries to garner sympathy, and the stupidity of the Avengers and Black Panther drags the whole thing down.

So buisiness as usual. God, this show’s story pacing is fucking stupid. Each season have their own

• Season 1: This season is the one that actually focused on its overarching arc with the Cabal. Too bad it was too focused and ended up developing arc fatigue due to the over use of the villains
• Season 2: In a reversal of season 1 the creators decided to shorten their season long story arc with the Infinity Gems so not to develop arc fatigue. The problem? They essentially squandered the chance of making an epic adaption to the beloved Thanos story and relagated the battle to him with the Infinity Gauntlet to mid season. It was at the point I wonder why the fuck should I care about the rest of the season when the grand finale have already happen? So the rest ia just random stories and villains coming and go; until the season finale which saw the return of Thanos! . . . and I couldn't care less with the way he jobbed out mid season.
• Season 3: This is where the real bollocks comes in. Repeated storylines. Rush resolutions. Unlikable and stupid characterization. And a misleading subtitle that implied that Ultron will be an overarching threat throughout the season but in reality he basically just appears at the first and last story arc with no rhyme or reason. If you ask me, the main villain of this season should of been Baron Zemo and his Masters of Evil. What writers should do to make this work is have the Zemo and epitomice Under Seige story exactly as they are but save the introduction of the Thunderbolts for a couple of episode. The team will male a couple of appearances here and there helping the Avengers (like against Kang) and even a limelight episode which introduce Jolt (who will pretty much be like that group’s Kamala) and have Hawkeye jump teams due to his own disaatisfaction with the Avengers. This all will come to a head with that Cival War arc but with the Thunderbolta in the role of the Mighty Avengwra which will give out thw reveal that the Thunderbolts sans Hawkeye and Jolt are actually the Masters of Evil who planned this gambit with Ultron in a bid of getting rid of the Avengers and become the masters of Earth. However, some members (Songbird, Mach 1, Atlas and Moonstone) have second thoughts and decided to turn face to help the Avwngers stop Zemo and Ultron. And that is how to improve Ultron Revoltuion!
• Season Four: A praise I will give the season is that they didn’t squandered to Secret Wars arc by finishing it at mid season like Infinity Gauntlet. But it did squandered the whole new character focus season concept as a lot of the original members seem to just come back and take up screen time. It was at this moment I pretty much gave up on the series and completely ignore the next season Panther’s Quest, as I know that I would be in the same bollocks as the last season.

So yeah, theres my retrospective on the show. It makes me wish for that cable box that Rick invented which allows me to watch shows from different dimensions, so I can watch the one universe where instead of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic being the really good show that lasted 9 seasons it is Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes.

I know this show fell off everyone's radar because lol. But Endgame is on the road to surpass Avatar in sales. So it's time for another round of "How is this show gonna copy off the movies" And for this I had to go with the show's plot synopsis because lol burnout. Also unmarked spoilers for Black Panther, Ant-Man and the Wasp, and Captain Marvel (it's been two months now)

I mean right off the bat, Black Panther is the main character of season 5. But he's suppose to be a pile of dirt right now. Explain!

How are they gonna explain that Killmonger, T'Challa's teacher in the show, is also his slightly older cousin, is notionally American, and is suppose to be dead?

The White Wolf is T'Challa's adopted brother. How are they gonna have Bucky be called the White Wolf in this? And does Bucky still have that stick up his ass?

Also, what the fuck, T'Chaka? You take in a random white kid but not your fatherless nephew?

How are they explain that M'Baku, a villain part of group trying to overthrow T'Challa, as a reasonable, and honorable conservative?

T'Challa teams up with Zemo to stop this secret organization. Really? You're okay with teaming up with your father's murderer?

Killermonger and Klaw are also working together. Despite the fact that that he's suppose to kill him when they worked together before.

Falcon is suppose to be dusted

Hope is also suppose to be dusted.

Scott mentions exactly nil about his daughter.

How will Scott be trapped in the Microverse?

How are they gonna explain that Carol who's been on Earth, spent over 20 years helping other aliens? And why does she have her memory?

Speaking of memory, you would think that the movie Carol would be more abrasive than cartoon Carol because of the lies and abuse the Kree did to her. Yet cartoon, memory-having Carol is far less fun to be around.

Carol and Fury seem to have lack of connection with each other

How will they explain the now MTF, racelifted Ghost, who had a grudge against Iron Man, simply just didn't want to die?

How is Gamora going to be trapped in the nonexistent Soul Stone

NOW HERE COMES THE ENDGAME SPOILERS

How will power hungry dictator to power hungry dictator concerned with limited resources Thanos not give into temptation and destroy the Stones?

How will Hawkeye become Ronin? Because of his dead family.... lol

How will Iron Man and Nebula end up drifting away in space when the former was still on Earth in Season 5?

How will Iron Man still be mad at Captain America even though he thought he died in Season 5

How are they show the beheading of Thanos

The five years later.

How would Iron Man have a kid with Pepper when the show hasn't established Pepper. Chop Chop Tony, you're on a time limit. And I like how it works because we've already seen a descendent of Tony

In Endgame, time flows differently in the Microverse. Yet in the show, time seems to moves at the same pace in the actual reality. So Scott is gonna be trapped for five years and it'll feel like five years

And will Scott finally show concern for his daughter he never talked about? lol

How are they gonna explain the Hulk/Banner merging. They've done it like 4 times already and even then, despite subtle changes like speaking complete sentences, the Hulk still had his own personality

Time travel. How will it work? In the show, the kill Baby Hitler theory would work. Howard and Peggy were once transported in the present due to Kang and it was fucking up the timestream. In Endgame, time travel doesn't work like that. You create a new timeline. So possible time crash? lol

How would Thor lose his people, his brother, and then get fat after he kills Thanos?

Are they gonna mention the 69 in Noob Master 69

I don't even think War Machine have been established yet in this blasted cartoon. Also would they ruin his lower back?

So when they go back in time, Tony and Steve are gonna have a heart to heart with Howard and Peggy AGAIN?

How will Natasha and Clint sacrifice themselves for the nonexistent Soul Stone. And why would they believe the Red Skull the Ghost now?

Will they show Natasha dying? I mean, she was absent plenty of times in the first season. I don't know where I went with this. lol

How would Thor have a lovely moment with his mom when the show never established his mom?

How would Jane have the aether in her. Also she has the powers of Thor in the cartoon. Why ain't she helping?

We're not getting properly written movie Nebula are we? We're stuck with poorly cartoon written Nebula? :(

How will the Ancient One have the time stone? And how would she explain the contradictory time situation. I mean, this Dormammu isn't going to be falling for bargains whether or not Stephen had the time stone.

Why would Steve lifting Mjionor be a CMOA when a scientist already did it. Not to mention, she's currently using it

How can Captain Marvel no sell a headbutt from Thanos she probably couldn't handle Thanos before?

Would Tony care to hug this incarnation of Spider-Man when he comes back? "Mr. Stark..." "Oh it's only you"

How are Gamora and Nebula going to be sistery considering it's a time displaced Gamora now... for some reason

Tony dies. How will they do that?

Steve goes back in time to live his life with Peggy. Even though he already met Peggy when she was brought into the future and he was quite fine with moving on. Also the time travel won't work the same in the movie. Unless it's a stable time loop, Peggy's husband was robbed.

Old man Steve, giving Falcon, Iron Man's protégé, his shield....lol

Again, these are the questions I want answered. No matter how bad. No matter how weird. No matter how little it makes sense!

I imagine that since the show's dead, there was much less concern to tie it in with the MCU than in previous seasons.

I don't think the show can copy the movies anymore, due to the series being cancelled now.

The Marvel Cinematic Universe: The snap didn't just kill off half the entire universe, it also killed off the animated universe. :P

x3 Don’t be stupid! The show won’t copy the films exactly in terms of plot lines.

They will however revived old plotlines and characteriaztion just to match up with the movie.

Sooo, a repeat of the whole Thanos Infinity Gauntlet story line at some point. Kang all of the sudden being the main villain simply because Endgame has time travel. Rocket (and Groot) now being a members of the Avengers. Hulk acting more like Banner. Captain Marvel . . . stays the same, tbh I find her characterization in the movie to match up well with her Assemble counterpart; WTF MCU, wh didn’t you went with EMH Carol? And Iron Man dies . . . again . . . for the third time in this series . . . and I didn’t say permanently like in the movie.

EDIT: Fixed! Damn this cell phone fucking up my typing.

Edited by BigK1337 on May 12th 2019 at 5:34:11 AM

EMH and AA Carol aren’t that different

They’re both kind of abrasive but AA has more of a sense of humor and self awareness of it. She realizes she rubs people the wrong way and doesn’t particularly care. Any changes in behavior are subtle and not really marked with any verbal epiphany

EMH Carol had more insecurity about being asked to join the Avengers and the Secret Invasion specifically messed with her because she didn’t know which way to turn and when she learned that people she trusted were Skrulls she got piiiiissed. Same with her broken pedestal for Mar-Vell. EMH Carol has disappointment go hand in hand with anger and violence

In fairness I’ve missed the more recent season or two of Assemble so I don’t know if they did anything different with Carol more recently

Dude, fix your spoiler!

Captain Marvel . . . stays the same, tbh I find her characterization in the movie to match up well with her Assemble counterpart; WTF MCU, wh didn’t you went with EMH Carol?

Actually I disagree with you on that, the only thing they have in common is having the Captain Marvel alias and costume (which I am fine with, as I actually prefer that costume to her Miss Marvel self- sorry EMH). Difference is, MCU Captain Marvel actually has likable moments and an actual backstory. Oh, that and she is just stoic rather than being overly abrasive for no apparent reasons all the time.

Edited by Theokal3 on May 9th 2019 at 8:55:55 PM

Disagree on the latter defense (the one regarding personality), but agree on the former on having likable moments and some kind of backstory (which is loosely based on her original).

... Just so we're clear, the abrasive bitch thing referred to Assemble Carol, not EMH Carol.

Of course Assemble Carol. EMH Carol is the more reasonable one who we all like.

MCU Carol didn't strike me as unreasonable either.

My problem is how it Avengers Assemble feels like it needs to do stuff off-screen and expect us to care. Tony is going to expand the Avengers... the plans fall apart off-screen. Ant-Man quitting off-screen. Cabal dissolves off-screen. This is nonsense.

yeah pretty much. You get the impression that whenever they want a big change or to drop a plot point they go "let's say it was solved offscreen". Which is lazy as fuck.

They tried to follow the MCU. Too bad they are always a year behind