The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

When people use the word 'budding' in regards to sexuality about nine times out of ten it sounds pretty creepy to me. My expectations for this one are not high.

edited 14th Aug '12 1:49:47 AM by Arha

Well it does deserve a proper look. I'll try and get to it by the end of the week.

The first couple of chapters paint a kind of dark picture, so I might suspect it of being a dark fic similar to Sailor Nothing.

The first chapters are fine, save for the of joking about the girl's addition to the group making them pedophiles (enough to make most people uncomfortable, but not grounds for cutting). Hope fully nothing more than the author's poor joke.

Well I skimmed up to chapter 7 and did not see any blatant peado-pandering but I could have missed something and chapter 30 the author calls "lolicon bait" but it sounded like they were expecting other to write porn fics of his/her fic, in any case I would recommend investigating chapter 30.

edited 13th Aug '12 11:12:33 PM by shadis

Flag-zapping required: Screw the Rules, I Make Them!.

I almost flagged the page myself over the "consensual sex with a child" thing but I hadn't (and still haven't) read the actual fic, so I don't know if it's as bad as it sounds. Does it occur off-screen?

edited 14th Aug '12 2:10:03 AM by InsanityPrelude

...that quote seems pretty clear cut to me, occurrance off-screen being irrelevant. Emphasis on "cut".

@Nine: I'm reading through Time Braid currently. It's fairly long, and given the nature of the story I wouldn't feel comfortable making a decision without reading the whole thing, so I probably won't be making a decision for a few days.

Re Legend Of The Blue Wolves:

Again, this is preliminary report on descriptions of the work on various websites, not on viewing the work.

First of all, our own article gives mixed messages. Pretty much all the tropes on it are about sex, however it says it "There's quite a bit of detail in the character interaction. Arguably it's more of a gay romance anime than true porn since it's probably hard to enjoy the 'good' sex scenes right after seeing Continental get castrated."

Anime News Network has the following

• Genres: drama, erotica, magic, romance, science fiction
• Themes: mecha, space, yaoi
• Objectionable content: Pornography

My Anime List

• Genres: Action, Mecha, Sci-Fi, Yaoi
• Rating: Rx - Hentai

The Other Wiki does not have an article on it, mentioning it only on a list of hentai anime.

The Japanese Wikipedia Article as translated by Google doesn't provide much insight, other than that its genre is Yaoi, it is classified as an "Adult OVA" and rated 18+.

Finally, Veoh carries it and classifies it as being 18+. I do not know if what they have is an uncensored version, as the version on Dailymotion is supposedly censored.

I'm assuming this link (NSFW) is uncensored give that the website is also willing to carry the infamous Pico series.

edited 14th Aug '12 6:25:36 AM by Catbert

Having a works page sort of implies that it's okay for someone who desires it to endorse a story though, since every works page has a "Reviews" tab...

'This totally sucks and here's why' is a valid review too, though.

Fan fic recommendations are our explicit endorsements of the best of the best a fandom has to offer. Our works pages make no such promises - they merely acknowledge something's existence.

"I'm assuming this link (NSFW) is uncensored give that the website is also willing to carry the infamous Pico series. "

However, this video is not hosted by the site itself, but is an embed from Youtube (Pico series are hosted on the site, for instance).
Oh well, gonna watch it.

edited 14th Aug '12 6:35:09 AM by Adannor

Read through some of Fill the Moon. Voting devil. The OC is stated on our page to have an apparent age of 14 and mental age of 7 and has on-page sex with Zexion, apparent age of early twenties, chronological age unknown.

@Meeble: sweet, thanks. ^^ Hope you enjoy it.

The difference between have a rec and having a page is this:

• Page: Someone thinks the work is worth making a page for. The reasons could run the gamut from "I really like this" to "It's famous and we should have a page on it" to "It's infamously terrible", and as such having a page doesn't necessarily endorse the work.

• Rec: Someone thinks this fanfic is good enough in quality to write a recommendation which encourages others to read it. It isn't anything but an endorsement.

@laculus: "Fan fic recommendations are our explicit endorsements of the best of the best a fandom has to offer. Our works pages make no such promises - they merely acknowledge something's existence. "

I don't know if I'd go that far. There's things I'd recommend without thinking it's necessarily "the best of the best". One "best" is usually enough.

Anyway, my point is that the presence of a works page allows users to endorse a work if they wish (by putting up a positive review). So, it's fine to endorse a work in one place but not another?

Well, a works page suggests that we think the Troper community at large should know about it, whether because it's good, it's ubiquitous, or it's horribly bad. I don't think a works page is necessarily an endorsement - how the hell could anyone want to endorse something like The Love Guru? But it is a suggestion of importance. So the question becomes, are we okay with giving these fanfics an air of importance?

EDIT: The Love Guru needs to be namespaced. I need to figure out how to namespace things.

edited 14th Aug '12 9:26:43 AM by LargoQuagmire

Interesting discussion, but is it really necessary?

What he said. Not the place. Take it elsewhere.

Not familiar with either Space Tyrant or Slave World. What do I need to know?

I don't think we have had a slave word discussion but I know Space Tyrant has come up so the links page might have something, what I remember was that a (main?) character Basically starts dating a young girl over the internet but is oblivious to the fact because she said she was older and (I think) someone mentioned it being in there school library.

It was also mentioned that the story played this kind of thing for shock value.

about: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13349331300A11026600&page=341#8514

Ultimate Girls is in the borderline. It does not show that much. The story has some scratch in the pedopandering even though most of the content is not the stuff pedo-something is mostly looking for except for the FC girl. Anyway I don't think this is that bad that should be cut even though it probably needs some cleanup.

edited 14th Aug '12 11:52:07 AM by brunoais

Sorry, I'm having trouble parsing that middle statement. Can you rephrase?

Nope. But that's not for us to discuss here.

edited 14th Aug '12 10:55:45 AM by tdgoodrich1

It suddenly occurs to me, Goodrich, that your user name is stupidly familiar to me.

Did you ever go by the name "Thaddeus" at any point?

New flag: Literature.The Cross Time Engineer. What should I know?

This example:

• Values Dissonance: In modern times, a lot of Conrad's conquests would easily qualify as Jail Bait, but there are no age of consent laws in the Middle Ages.
  • All the way to Squick level when the baby girl Conrad saves in the first book returns in a later volume specifically to thank him by means of Rescue Sex. No more than twelve years have elapsed by this point.

I'll see what I can find on Google.

edited 14th Aug '12 11:56:58 AM by SeptimusHeap