Jim Sterling (The Jimquisition)

And yet Vaas is still the coolest guy they ever produced.

That man was a strike of lighting, something they could never reproduce no matter how hard they try.

They ask you how you are and you say that you're fine, when you're really not fine.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Mar 18th 2019 at 8:10:15 AM

Hey Pagan Min was pretty cool too and was better at pulling the sympathy card then Joseph Seed will ever be.

Far Cry 5 to me was a absolute massive disappointment to me. When the game was initially I thought oh cool a game that will call out how dangerous alt-righters can be.

And then they made it so Joseph was right despite the fact he killed tons of people in horrible ways and routinely brainwashed them and I didn't want to ever fucking buy the game after hearing that.

Seriously, this is a far cry from Far Cry 3 which basically deconstructed Mighty Whitey.

Indeed Pagan Min was pretty cool especially for being one of the rare instances of being able to ally with the antagonist.

So one one side we got Vaas & Min for good villains & the other is Seed & those 2 black twins for bad villains.

Literally 2 for 2.

Vaas and Min also have to share screentime with more lamer villains, so that kinda hurt them a little. Mostly Vaas, because he is killed in the middle of the game.

I bet Hoyt would have been an ok villain if Vaas wasn't in the same game.

Oh yeah that is an issue.

Min’s total screen time adds up to only 30 minutes while we had to deal with those two jackass Golden Path terrorists for far more than that.

I still like how all you have to do to avoid fighting Pagan Min is to just sit down and eat your damn crab rangoon.

Has anyone ever tried crab rangoon? I've always wanted to try it.

Edited by M84 on Mar 18th 2019 at 10:54:33 PM

I've made some. It's basically a filling of crab meat and cream cheese (Along with some flavorings like garlic, soy sauce and worchestershire sauce) in a wonton wrapper. Baked (in some places, fried)

It's... alright? I found the Cream cheese sort of overpowered everything too much to my taste. It's not bad but I don't recommend for the amount of work it takes to make the damn things.

That said it does beat getting shot at. So sit down and eat the goddamn crab Rangoon.

Edited by Ghilz on Mar 18th 2019 at 11:04:41 AM

Though the rangoon there was made by a gourmet chef so its prolly more incredible than the homemade stuff.

Shit biggest missed opportunity of 4 was not making DLC where we finally "shoot some Goddamn guns" with Min.

I suspect if you have milder cream cheese than the regular store bought stuff, the results get a lot better. Marscarpone might also make it more interesting. But I ain't gonna try it.

On Farcry 5. I've always hated how the premise and gameplay make no sense? Like there's this cult whose number of members is in the quadruple digits, who are all armed, and this somehow seems to be news to the 3 or so local deputies? Did they not notice 99% of the local population was now part of an insane survivalist cult?

Have they never heard of Waco. Or Rajneeshpuram? This is where you call the ATF and the FBI and let them handle things. Not walk in there and go "This will totally work."

Some people (even on this site) are convinced that Joseph Seed and his crazy cult are far left and that "Far Cry 5" is "realistic tale of how far left is too dangerous".

Though it's a bit of a weird message to have for a video game - the best ending can only be achieved by not playing the game.

"The only winning move is not to play."

It's way better than Spec-Ops the Line's attempt to send that message.

Edited by M84 on Mar 18th 2019 at 11:57:26 PM

I'd like 5's walkaway ending a lot more if it was blatantly 'this is stupid, we leave and get backup'. Because even if that's the intent, that's not how it comes across.

It was also kinda effective as commentary, especially when you factor in the other endings. "Don't just get involved in a foreign conflict, if you have no idea what's even going on".

I personally always took that as kind of the canon ending as Ajay never really came across as someone whom was really invested in well anything going on in Karat.

There also was that Doctor lady whom I am forgetting the name of. She was really tragic and sympathetic, vastly moreso then any of the other villains in that game including Pagan himself.

Although yeah I agree Far Cry 3 fell apart after Vaas died. Hoyt just got nothing to build him up at all compared to Vaas.

The weakest villain by far is still and will always be Joseph by far to me.

If we're talking about intent, then it's possible to apply Hanlon's Razor to this and conclude that the devs simply copied Far Cry 4 endings structure (two main Bad Ending ones and one Golden Ending where you leave everything alone) onto Far Cry 5 without thinking of the implications. And yeah, sure thing Ubisoft, it's not like I'll play a game with a story where They Just Didn't Care. At least New Dawn made fascists mad because the dum-dums think the game was promoting "white genocide" based on the cover.

Well yeah that doctor lady was forced by Min to head over a battle arena where the constant bloodshed wore down her mind to the point she committed suicide if not killed by Ajay so of course she's sympathetic.

That's the thing for as sympathetic or pitiable Min is, he is still a fucking monster, something he makes clear about himself especially has he has no shred of remorse for mentally destroying said doctor lady. The key difference is that despite his madness & sadism he always genuinely cared for Ajay to the end unlike the Golden Path commanders who make it clear after all is said & done that Ajay was nothing more than a means to the end for them.

That true love Min has for Ajay & by extension Ajay's mother & sister says everything.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 19th 2019 at 12:25:38 PM

That's one key difference that makes the Golden Path commanders (including Ajay's late father) so awful compared to Min (the other being that Pagan Min is a self-aware monster unlike them). As awful as Min is (and he's really awful) he still has the capacity to give a shit about a few other people on a personal level such as his deceased love and their daughter (and by extension his love's son Ajay).

The Golden Path assholes? They only care about gaining power. Nothing and nobody else really matters to them.

Edited by M84 on Mar 20th 2019 at 3:32:57 AM

It was actually worse than that. The doctor was actually an humanitarian worker that came to Kyrat to see if Pagan was treating the people well. She noticed that he wasn't and told him to clean himself up and start treating his citizens better. Pagan then sometime later requested her to come back to Kyrat to see the efforts he made to better the standard of living in Kyrat and even asked her to bring her family which she complied with.

Once she arrived he immediately detained her and threatened her with killing her family unless she runs his blood sports rings. She complies.

When Ajay comes to Kyrat he finds out via that racist white torturer guy that the doctor's family was killed years ago, when Pagan first caught them and that he lied about holding them hostage the entire time. He was having the racist white guy's daughter to write letters to her proclaiming that her family was safe.

She commits suicide, or lets you kill her, because she discovers that all those people and animals she indirectly killed via sending them into Pagan's blood sport rings were all for naught. Her family was dead the entire time.

That backstory cements that while Pagan is affable and sympathetic in some ways, mostly in regards to Ajay's father, he is still an monster.

Edited by Wispy on Mar 19th 2019 at 12:34:22 PM

Man they finally started letting you hang out with the villains & its only with Seed.

I haven't even played 5 yet & I can tell Seed is a fucking unlikable prick. That's an issue I've seen, that he's another attempt at a "Charismatic Psychopath" like Vaas & Min before him when he should have just been a straight up Hate Sink.

And I've heard they pulled the "Charismatic Psychopath" a 4th time with the black woman twins of New Dawn that bombed even harder because they are apparently without any charisma & just plain generically evil.

Its not working anymore.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 19th 2019 at 12:42:02 PM

And yet siding with him still seems to lead to a better ending than "liberating" Kyrat from his rule - because he's planning to retire anyway and hand everything over to Ajay, who not only seems to have an intact moral compass, but is the son of the Golden Path's former leader (who turns out to be a child-murdering misogynist), which kinda renders the whole rebellion moot.

Min's a monster, but he's willing to give up his rule without a fight, while siding with the Golden Path either preserves the terrible status quo (which is even lampshaded by Amita seeming to emulate Pagan Min in some ways) with child soldiers on top it or turns Kyrat into an intolerant theocracy that encourages taking child brides.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Mar 19th 2019 at 8:46:06 PM

Far Cry 4 and 3 certainly had much more nuance to the villians.

Far Cry 5 is just like Woops. Turns out the self-righteous murderous monster is right and they are going to brainwash you into being their minion.

And thats the fucking canon ending. Far Cry 5's protagonist is one of the recruitable allies in New Dawn and the game pretty much says they were broken down and brain washed to be Seed's enforcer.

Chrised, I hate Seed.

Edited by Wispy on Mar 19th 2019 at 1:04:22 AM

Doesn't the New Dawn ending let's you kill him?

Yes, but that's too little, too late, if you ask me.