Rename: NEW CROWNER (Alt Titles 12-28-12): Asian Gal With White Guy

And that's my point. Tropes are flexible, but that definition isn't.

And you don't see the problem with this?

edited 8th Jan '13 12:00:00 PM by KingZeal

I am not sure how many times that distinction will matter. You can slightly rephrase it, I assume.

Also, let's keep in mind the trope we are searching is clear in either case.

Na, I do not see a problem. It's in both cases about "whites are superior".

edited 8th Jan '13 12:00:59 PM by SeptimusHeap

Again, that's overly simplistic.

But you know what, screw it. I'll keep my mouth shut again.

I wish people would stop adding new options to the crowner, as that means we've got to wait that much longer for things to settle out.

The Crowner winner doesn't necessarily mean it'll be picked right? If we had to pick a "politically incorrect" name, I'm for Docile Asian Strong Whitey, though it refined to something like Docile Asian Gal With Mighty Whitey Guy or something. Or is that too long?

Unfortunately it's looking pretty clear that the incest joke is going to be picked, yes.

@430: That name is much too long.

I'm actually with with King Zeal in that "docile Asian" shouldn't be part of the trope, so long as the pairing is blatantly uneven. Maybe mentioned as a common form of it, but not limiting the trope exclusively to docile Asian women. The real problem with the Trope Decay in the first place was it kept getting used for relationships where race was a complete non-issue. There have been cases that have the same Unfortunate Implications where the woman wasn't docile per se, but it was pretty clear she went with the guy at all because, hey, he's white and that's enough. I think ignoring those instances would be a disservice, since they're still blatantly in the spirit of those trope.

If anything, situations where the woman isn't docile and yet the relationship is blatantly imbalanced should be MORE notable for this trope.

edited 11th Jan '13 5:34:19 AM by Larkmarn

431: What incest joke?

Or maybe just simply the redirect: Asian Gal on White Guy Drama.

While it would make the rename process easier, "Drama" to me says nothing about the trope.

• White Mans Asian Dependent: Although, it sounds like a white man raising an asian kid.
• Savvy Whitey Asian Admiration: Rhymes on a Dime, but may be a little overlong and unclear. Lacks romantic undertones. Can add "with" between "whitey" and "asian" for more clarity.

Those are both pretty bad, for the exact reasons you cited.

Maybe Asian Needs Whitey?

Asian Girls Need Whitey would be better, since we need to clarify that it's about gender and not just Asian people.

In fact, that's damn near perfect.

It's also easy to rename to, but does it capture the spirit of the trope?

In my opinion? Absolutely.

The entire stereotype is that a less-successful, docile, hypersexual, or otherwise disadvantaged asian woman falls deeply in love with, becomes sexually obsessed with, sells her body to, and/or has a child by, a white man who either doesn't love her, loves someone else, or clearly doesn't need her as much as she needs him.

edited 11th Jan '13 1:27:06 PM by KingZeal

I like it. It's got a nice ring to it. Makes it clear that it's based around intimate relationships, that the white guy has all the power, and that she's dependent on him. Added to the crowner.

So... are we still in disagreement about the whole "docile = necessary" thing?

edited 11th Jan '13 1:33:44 PM by Larkmarn

Okay, I'm pretty sure the level of emotional commitment on the part of the white man is not part of the trope.

In fact, on second thought, it can be argued that for the Unfortunate Implications to work, the relationship has to be portrayed as healthy and happy.

edited 11th Jan '13 1:47:14 PM by TotemicHero

Errr...well, part of the trope is that the asian girl needs him more than he needs her. Even if he loves her dearly, she needs him.

EDIT: Exactly.

edited 11th Jan '13 1:48:24 PM by KingZeal

Um...no. Emotional dependency is not an intrinsic part of the trope, at least no more than in any other romantic relationship trope has by default.

I'd almost be tempted to go with Asian White Relationship Stereotype at this point.

Not exactly. There has to be an implication that she has more to lose. This can be completely glossed over, downplayed and never acknowledged in-universe, but that's the spirit of the trope.

The point of the fetish is either for white men to fantasize about an asian girl that needs them or an asian girl to fantasize about a powerful white male.

I am pretty sure this trope is not about fetishes, simply about the stereotype associated with this particular form of interracial marriage.

What Septimus said. While it started as a white power fantasy, like many tropes it has evolved so that in can be played for different effects. (There's quite a few parody/spoof examples on the trope page right now that still would fit under the new definition.)

I don't see how that refutes anything I just said.