im not sure if i count as someone who gets to have an opinion, as iwas neverreally harmed or grudged or anything here but i think that was a really mature and adult response on fox's part, to the point where it makes me kind of impressed and happyto read? id for sure welcome him back and wanthim back to try to reintigrate basednon that

I don't really have any knowledge or context on what's going on here, but I do want to say that I've been talking with Fox in DMs lately (last few months or so). He's seemed very fun and friendly, and I've had absolutely no problems interacting with him whatsoever.

Of course, this all seems to be a series of things that happened before I joined or was reserved to DMs and such afterwards. Naturally I don't have the experience of talking with Fox in the group with everyone, and I wasn't involved with anything else that might be mentioned here.

I just think it'd be fair to give him a chance to reintegrate, especially since we've been sitting in this situation for so long. After waiting this long, it feels off to ban him, IMO.

This might not be my place to speak, and I'm aware my word might not have as much weight as those that have been involved. I just thought I should say something, especially since I have been speaking to Fox as of late.

However, I also understand that there could be some anxiety here. It's important to talk with one another about it.

I'm also not sure if this is OK to post here, but I just... I didn't really know where else I was supposed to say it.

Edited by CrystalMemoria on Dec 21st 2019 at 4:38:45 AM

I’m unsure where to start here but I appreciate the statement being, like, mature and at least understanding of the situation. However, even with that, I’m having a extremely hard time giving him the benefit of the doubt here because beyond this, I haven’t heard of any real attempt to make-up/rebuild bridges with those he’s actually hurt. Had there been something like that, I might be a bit more willing to play ball but I’m very unsure and leaning against this, in full honesty. There had also been some things that were said during the original situation that I cannot forgive no matter how much time passes.

Edited by ChrissieMcNapkins on Dec 21st 2019 at 5:44:27 AM

I haven't really interacted with Fox that much in a while. I honestly didn't know this drama was brewing underneath my feet. I'm pretty shocked and disappointed that this happened at all. I'm sorry that things ended this way.

So, uh, this is a little unexpected in my POV, so bear with me.

But, aside from maybe some issues I've had about, say, some of Fox's character decisions, I can't really think of anything else to state against him.

However, since I don't know the full story, and I'm unsure if it is my business to, then I'm not entirely sure what to lean on. If Fox is willing to make amends, then I say we at least give him a chance. But if there's any reason why this shouldn't be the case, I won't blame anyone if the ban does indeed occur.

That's really my main takeaway on this.

Chris's post made me think about something, and I don't mean to be rude by bringing this up in response to it (Especially after I already said something).

We can't really gauge if he's been attempting to rebuild bridges because he's not integrated with the rest of the group.

We can't expect all of the info of his potential attempts to fix things to be divulged to everyone via DMs, can we? I'm not really sure how any of us would have been able to gauge this to begin with.

I don't know what he said in the past, but I don't really expect anyone to have the full story of how much effort Fox has made (other than Fox, himself, of course).

Would you expect me to message people about my progress in trying to fix bridges if I were in his shoes? Would you expect one of the people involved to feel comfortable messaging others if I don't?

IMO, it's a bit much to expect clear signs of attempts when there's no way to gauge how interactions with Fox and other people are going in general.

I will officially state that I am neutral on whether Fox should be banned or not. I don't like the idea of banning him, but because I do not have all of the information, I can't give a proper viewpoint or vote.

I am forced to be neutral because of this. Whichever way it goes is how it goes.

I just wanted to say that I'm not sure how gauging progress would work if the lack of connection with the group is a large problem.

If I'm speaking out of line, I'm really sorry. I don't intend to.

yeah, this seems to me like he is making an attempt to try and make up for things

i guess i dont really get going "i've never seen an effort on his part" when he is making the effort now

is there a moratorium on when its no longer possible to try and bury the hatchet? two years is a long time, if anything it makes me think its more likely that a good outcome is possible

I'm sorry you feel that way, Chris, but I totally get why you do.

I don't want to delve into too many specifics in the disc thread, but I have had some form of reconciliation with a couple of those people involved, a few months after it happened. Admittedly, they came to me rather than the other way around, but we were still able to settle things.

That being said, I didn't really try reaching out to anyone else because I assumed those were the "primary" people that I hurt back then. I didn't really comprehend that stuff was still gnawing at other people's brains until I was told by the mods. I really wish I knew about that back then, but I can't change the past, as much as I want to.

Fox and I have...a history. But I believe in second chances. I’m glad you’re doing better, man.

I missed the part about this but I’m totally open to smoothing things out over DM. I like to think nothing is unsalvageable. Mama Rando calls that being Pollyanna but there’s worse things to be.

I'd like to clarify our intentions and refocus responses back towards whether or not anyone would like Fox to speak with them. Our intention wasn't really meant to openly discuss this, more for us to see who would like to get anything off their chest with Fox. The details of it all ought to be discussed and worked out privately, we feel.

So to clarify again, if you want Fox to speak to you or not, please say so. If you're not comfortable with that, please let us know privately so we can make our judgement here.

I’ll talk to him, at least. Discord, preferably.

Edited by ChrissieMcNapkins on Dec 23rd 2019 at 5:22:22 AM

I'm gonna say that I don't feel like talking to Fox. This is mainly between the involved parties, so I'll not say anything more.

realized yesterday that i've got the highest "met in real life" count of anyone in the room

fear me

HAIL FAUST!

Who's your next Target Faust?

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Mod Stuff

Alright, we let the last topic kinda lie for two weeks because Holidays and Oops We Kinda Accidentally Started It Near Christmas so that delayed some proceedings. We will be bringing it to a close soon, about Tuesday evening. If there's anyone else who would like to give their opinions regarding whether Fox should stay or go, or if they'd like to clear anything off with Fox in PMs or DMs, now is the time to do so.

Again, if you'd rather not, you don't have to. Just be sure to tell us privately how you feel in the end, rather than out in the discussion thread.

End of Discussion

Okay, after consulting with the people who wished to weigh in on this and/or speak to Fox, we've come to our conclusion. While Fox has come off as sincere to a few of the people he's spoken to, that hasn't erased the discomfort he gives them, and we can't in good conscience allow him to stay because of that.

We have decided to part ways with him going forward, and he will not be permitted in the FG and the RP. If you'd like to keep up correspondence with him, that's not our business. Feel free to keep in contact with him if you wish. Our apologies to Fox, but this is our final decision.

There has been significant discussion regarding the previous ruling, which has been appealed and is under further review. As it has become apparent to us that there is significant opposition to both sides of this decision, we will set up a forum for discussion on this matter in the near future.

EDIT 2: The discussion has been re-scheduled for Friday evening (January 10) at 8 PM EST in this thread.

Edited by megarockman on Jan 9th 2020 at 6:00:56 AM

Alright, so we're going to revisit the decision to exclude Fox from rejoining the thread in light of some confusion and discontent expressed after putting it into action. The decision we made was lopsided, secretive and didn't take all voices into account, and we apologise to those it has affected. We're always trying to be better.

With that said, we want this process to be as open as it can be and invite everyone to share their input and reach a fair outcome that people can feel satisfied with.

Regarding the previous judgement, the logic was as follows:

• Fox caused significant anxiety in a user, who got in contact with us to clear the air
• We evaluated their concerns and investigated deeper, finding a long-term pattern of misconduct, both older instances that were never resolved and more recent instances involving disrespecting other players.
• We polled similarly affected individuals to determine their willingness to reinstate Fox with the thread, with the provision that he makes amends and corrects his behaviour.
• To respect the comfort of the affected individuals, it was decided that only unanimous consent could return Fox to the thread, and that the polling would take place in private messages so that no single player would need to feel responsible for Fox remaining excluded – this is a point of particular contention that we are interested in resolving fairly.

This process has been challenged, and we would like to open discussion to the thread to find a fairer outcome in regards to Fox. The primary question we would like to answer is whether Fox's circumstances warrant a second chance with the thread.

We anticipate that many people will want to share their side, so we ask that you post respectfully and give space for others to voice their positions and address your arguments.

(For those who have spoken privately with Fox about personal details, both parties should consent before these details are discussed here.)

I would prefer to officially abstain from this as I'm not really in any good mental state to be handling something like this.

I guess I should probably ask if this is still restricted to people that have flat out gotten involved in past situations involving Fox or if anyone can say their piece?

If it's the former, then I really can't say anything because my interactions with Fox have been mostly since I joined, moreso over the last half of the year.