Don't we already have Cool Big Sis?: Oneesama

The definition really feels like a stretching attempt (doesn't surprise me) to be specific, even though Cool Big Sis already covers it.

Oneesama is a very different thing than Cool Big Sis. For one thing, half the time you hear it, its used to imply a lesbian relationship (or at least lesbian feelings). It might be worth making it so that this is only for that version, if the rest would just fit on Cool Big Sis, but let's get some more opinions on that.

Cool Big Sis doesn't necessarily involve huge respect. Onee-sama always does. Cool Big Sis is always cool. Onee-sama doesn't have to be, she just needs to be hugely respected.

edited 30th Aug '11 8:28:43 AM by peccantis

If it is about the specifically lesbian-tinged version, though, it probably could stand to have a name tweak so that it's clearly not just any use of the term. Otherwise, it'd be too easy to mistake any would-be Cool Big Sis for this trope. Would Yuri Oneesama work for people?

Yeah, if it's specifically for lesbianism, it needs a bit of a rename - since oneesama really just is a respectful call to a big sister.

So this is the unrelated Oneesama? Typically used in Yuri works (not always though) where the Tall, Dark and Bishōjo falls under the Uke in the relationship. The smaller of the pair uses "Oneesama" to refer to their GF (if not in a yuri they are typically a Fangirl or Stalker with a Crush at bare minimum.)

edited 30th Aug '11 7:03:36 PM by Raso

Raso, "Onii" is "Big brother", "Onee" is "Big sister".

"ee" in Japanese is pronounced "ay"

Fuck... that will teach me to be typing on my phone while I am playing video games... I had a full Beam of Enlightenment moment to book it back to this thread asap.

A Big example of a Psycho Lesbian that I can think of off the top of my head would be Miharu in Baka Test and her Oneesama Minami. (Minami herself isnt exactly the personality type considering what we know of her personality as the viewer but to Miharu she is completely in this trope.)

edited 30th Aug '11 7:14:34 PM by Raso

I don't think that this should be restricted solely to yuri/lesbians. A younger girl denoting an older one "Onee-sama" happens fairly frequently. Though it does certainly show up very, very often in yuri works, especially ones at all-girls schools.

They must be unrelated to each other, I think.

edited 30th Aug '11 7:31:59 PM by Raso

Yes, that goes without saying.

I don't agree, a younger sister using "onee-sama" is rare and significant.

For example, it is very significant that Skuld uses the term "Onee-sama" to refer to her older sister Belldandy, but uses just Urd to refer to her eldest sister. (On rare occasions she has used "Urd-nee-san").

Skuld's use of "Onee-sama" is both evidence of her great respect for Belldandy, but also adds a formality and old-fashionedness to it (which fits Belldandy).

Most younger sisters use Onee-san as the most formal level.

I think the Onee-sama page needs to mention all of it's uses:

1. Lesbian relationship- identifying the (supposed) seme and uke
2. A idol-follower relationship between young women, usually signifying extreme adoration on the part of the follower.
3. Identification of a very formal and traditional relationship between sisters. (Skuld-Belldandy is one example. I believe Motoko Aoyama also uses the term towards her elder sister. I know I've seen it a few other times too.)

Also, this is not at all similar to Cool Big Sis. Cool Big Sis who really is a sister is almost always referred to as "nee-chan", "Onee-chan", or occasionally, "nee-san".

edited 30th Aug '11 8:32:20 PM by Sackett

Dunno, it feels like a similar affection towards older people.

Compared to what, precisely?

This is definitely a trope independent of Cool Big Sis, if thats what you are saying.

I feel compelled to mention that nee isn't pronounced nay, but neh.

In other news, I like the suggested three types (@12). Of course, type 1 (how yuki uke calls her seme) stems directly from 2 (how a fangirl would call her "idol") and these two don't need to be separated.

edited 31st Aug '11 12:25:27 AM by peccantis

Yeah, its somewhere between a 'neh' and a 'nay', but I felt that 'nay' gets it across just a bit better.

Also it depends on who's saying it. Shirai Kuroko's is most definitely ONAAAAAAAAAAAAAY-SAMAAAAAA

And yes, the first two are really just degrees of admiration. And it goes back to how Japan tends to view lesbian relationships through the lens of "sisterhood" blah blah blah

The third is by far the most rare case, though the more normal "Onee-san", or even "Onee-chan" is of course so common to not be a trope.

I wonder if younger-siblings who don't call their elder siblings by Onee/Onii (or one of the variations, Ane/Aniki, Aneue, etc) is a trope. Though its vanishingly uncommon.

Edited the description. Better?

Much better.

Actually no its inverse most of the time, the Seme role in Yuri is typically the smaller one and calls the Tall, Dark and Bishōjo one is the Uke in the relationship. (if there is an actual Seme and Uke role in said Yuri, Unlike BL its not uncommon for Yuri to be an equal relationship)

edited 2nd Sep '11 1:22:36 AM by Raso

No...the taller, older one is almost always dominant, though not to the same extent as in BL.

What????

What does that have to do with anything? This is about one character calling the other "Onee-sama". When used as a sign of a lesbian relationship the "Onee-sama" character is clearly the dominant one.

The exceptions are all subversions where the "Onee-sama" is not interested in the relationship and the one calling her "Onee-sama" is actually a crazy stalker girl who fantasizes that her "onee-sama" is the dominant one.

The description now makes the distinction from Cool Big Sis clear. We can lock this