Marvel Cinematic Universe

I think Tarantino likes superhero films, he just doesn't like the MCU and its bureaucracy. He did apparently like Thor: Ragnarok though, and he once wanted to make a Luke Cage movie during his career's heyday.

Funnily enough, Coppola hates superhero movies, but he did enjoy the first Deadpool movie.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jun 6th 2023 at 2:43:27 AM

Okay this hilarious but I get it. Like Thor isn't really cool in Thor 4, a kid watching that isn't gonna come out thinking Thor is cool cause he's such a goober in the film.

Its like Power Rangers, sure it can get wacky, it can get cheesy, but when its time for the action the characters are pulling off poses, doing catchphrases, doing stunts with not a hint of irony. A kid can watch Power Rangers and think "these guys are so cool" cause the heroes are at least portrayed as capable.

Thor 4 meanwhile is so obsessed with being ironic Thor himself can't even make a decent speech cause they constantly have to make a joke about how the hero always has to give a speech or say a cool line. A kid isn't gonna find that cool cause Thor in Thor 4 just isn't cool, he's a goofy unfunny asshole.

I'd be surprised if it turns out Tarantino or Scorcese hate superheroes so much that they would effectively blacklist any actor just for being associated with superhero franchises, tbh.

That goes well away from just being distasteful of a genre of story and headlong into being unprofessional. Actors take all sorts of crazy jobs. Directors know that.

Plus I don't recall any of either director's criticisms of superhero films being directed at the actors involved.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 6th 2023 at 3:15:08 AM

I don't think they'd literally blacklist someone but if someone is heavily associated with something you don't like, have nothing but goofy comedies and superhero films in your CV, it's going to be an uphill struggle to get casted by them in serious drama.

But... yeah, I've never seen any indication of either director having that opinion. Much to the opposite, in Tarantino's case. Nor is Hemsworth bereft of serious performances to look at in the first place.

Keep in mind that, regardless of whether Sam Jack was in Tarantino's circle before getting involved in the MCU, Sam Jack brings the same energy to Fury as he did to the projects Tarantino had him in, because that's exactly what Tarantino wanted. And Scorcese's had a long career and is no stranger to using actors who got their start in sillier movies.

It's not the performances guys like Tarantino or Scorcese have a problem with, it's the writing and storytelling. If it turns out they're blaming the actors for that, I'd be shocked, because... yeah, far less professional than either director is known for being.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 6th 2023 at 3:23:03 AM

Plus, Scorsese was in Shark Tale. He's got no room to judge people for roles they've taken in the past.

And if we're talking about Tarantino in particular, Uma Thurman's first movie after Batman and Robin was one that he directed.

So out of the blue, I started thinking about how Wakanda reacted when Tony revealed he was Iron Man (and subsequently, the Arc Reactor tech).

Like, at that point, Tony was probably the world's biggest chance the rest of the world had at catching up to Wakanda, even if they didn't know it then, with maybe Hank Pym and his Pym Particles being next on the list.

Somebody there must have been sweating a little bit when they thought about Maria Stark's baby boy.

That’s right according to the questionably canonical Black Panther prequel comic, at least. T’Chaka sees Tony’s debut as Iron Man and starts lecturing T’Challa that they need to be careful not to draw Tony’s attention.

Edited by CheapMarzipan on Jun 6th 2023 at 8:23:31 AM

Considering how Wakanda treats the rest of the world as uncivilized barbarians, regarding Tony as a threat means they acknowledge him as a rival

Which is pretty high praise coming from them

Even What If Shuri admits Stark is a genius at what he does.

But he isn't the only one.

Looks like Monica Rambeau's alias going forward shall be Photon.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to listen to the VNV Nation song of the same name to celebrate.

Its better than Spectrum.

Oh yeah she recently had a back that changed her name back to Photon

X6

That would make sense. If Tony knew the kind of stuff they had in Wakanda was possible, he'd have started trying to build his own. Whether he'd have succeeded (or how long it'd take him without a good source of vibranium) is hard to determine, but he stood the best chance of pulling it off, and since he was making it himself rather than stealing it, it'd be even harder for them to put a stop to it.

Like, I think he have either taken advantage of Wakanda sharing their tech when he made his latest suit in infinity war, or at least been inspired to develop his own nanotech akin to what they had for T'Challa's suit.

And we saw what happened when he incorporated Pym Particles into his suits for the Time Heist. The moment he gets a whiff of new tech, he's off to the races and creating new shit.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jun 6th 2023 at 9:42:28 AM

Vibranium in the MCU can do a whole lot of weird shit. Still not as much as the comics Vibranium, but still a lot.

In one way it's even more versatile than the comics since it's also the reason Atlanteans exist in the MCU.

As I understand it, Tony and T'Challa are decently close and Stark did Panther a real solid over Vibranium at one point.

I wonder how MCU Tony and T'Challa would have gotten along.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 7th 2023 at 12:45:16 AM

I feel that Tony would be constantly trying to get an in with T'Challa to get some Vibranium he can mess around with in his lab, while T'Challa just barely tolerates his presence.

Yeah, I can imagine something like that.

I do get the feeling Stark would make a crack about the Dora Milaje though.

That would get him quite literally kicked out of the room.

Yeah I feel Stark just wouldn't fit in Wakanda at all.

But on different territory, maybe T'Challa and Tony can talk science.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 7th 2023 at 1:17:26 AM

They are both scientists so they would get along fine, collaborations and all that.

They enjoy the challenge of testing each other’s intellect. It’s just T’Challa due his position has to be careful how much he talks Vibranium since that shit is state secrets.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 6th 2023 at 10:19:41 AM

Yeah, while Shuri is a prodigy and the one working science most of the time, I'm pretty sure MCU T'Challa as the first born son is very educated and knowledgeable in regards to Vibranium and the tech he uses, so if he was in a charitable mood, he could talk shop with Tony without giving too much about Vibranium away.

The title change of Captain America 4 to "Brave New World" makes me think of this song:

I swear, if people don't make MMVs of this movie to this song, it's a missed opportunity.

Now I question what would happen if Morbius listened to Thirty Seconds to Mars...