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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#137576: Dec 2nd 2021 at 1:42:32 AM

I'd be down for an 80's team.

Something I hope they pick up on is that since Wenwu's been around thousands of years, they could have him show up again as an antagonist in the past.

We could totally get a story - for example - in which Howard Stark and Wenwu are archenemies, and Howard sends the 70's / 80's equivalent of Avengers after him, and shenanigans happen.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
FGHIK from right behind you Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#137577: Dec 2nd 2021 at 3:34:24 AM

If I'm understanding the timeline correctly, it's theoretically possible Odin could have run into Wenwu while defending Earth from frost giants. They'd probably be on the same side, since Wenwu certainly wouldn't want frost giants destroying the world either. Could make an interesting What If Episode.

Edited by FGHIK on Dec 2nd 2021 at 5:34:59 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#137579: Dec 2nd 2021 at 7:19:58 AM

That would be cool. On a similar note, I'd like to see Wenwu in the past interacting with Kang the Conqueror.

Wenwu would be a Barbarian Hero (well, more like villain) warlord and Kang would be the "Sage from the West" or something like that, and would give Wenwu's army machine guns.

Edited by Hodor2 on Dec 2nd 2021 at 9:20:07 AM

MatthewWayne The Man Outside Reality from TVA Headquarters Since: Oct, 2014
The Man Outside Reality
#137580: Dec 2nd 2021 at 8:08:28 AM

I still wonder if Wenwu and the Eternals would've encountered each other at some point. It seems entirely plausible.

In regards to Janet, I'm hoping she plays a bigger role in Quantumania. Because I agree there hasn't been much done with the character done yet, especially with Michelle Pfeiffer playing her. And seeing how she was in the Quantum Realm for many years and didn't turn into a zombie, she might be the key to fighting against Kang.

I'm also hoping for an 80s or perhaps 70s team shown of everyone's years working at S.H.I.E.L.D, but I don't know if that's going to happen.

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SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137581: Dec 2nd 2021 at 10:00:01 AM

I have a question. What would you think if they introduce the Master of Evil into the MCU? We got Zemo, unfortunately not a very large pool of still alive villains to recruit but that could change.

Sincerely S Awatching.
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#137582: Dec 2nd 2021 at 10:02:54 AM

I think the general consensus is that they are building up to an anti-Avengers team of sketchy folk, and that it’ll probably draw from various supervillain team-ups, so sure.

MatthewWayne The Man Outside Reality from TVA Headquarters Since: Oct, 2014
The Man Outside Reality
#137583: Dec 2nd 2021 at 10:16:42 AM

[up][up] So far, I can see Baron Zemo, Abomination, Yelena Belova, U.S Agent and possibly Ghost joining that lineup. But it's too soon to tell just yet.

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SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137584: Dec 2nd 2021 at 10:26:59 AM

I don't know if Yelena Belova would be on that list, still even if does lead to the Master it would be too early to tell, so your right. Depending on how Spide-man goes we could have one of the Sinister-whatever their number is- joining the list. Maybe even a few from the Disney + sereis. We got Kang from there.

Sincerely S Awatching.
MatthewWayne The Man Outside Reality from TVA Headquarters Since: Oct, 2014
The Man Outside Reality
#137585: Dec 2nd 2021 at 10:50:39 AM

[up] I highly doubt that Kang or any Spider-Man villains are going to be joining the Dark Avengers thing that Valentina Allegra de Fontaine may or may not be setting up. Kang likely has his own agenda that doesn't intersect with that idea, and having anything Sinister Six related that has them fight people who aren't Spider-Man seems weird, especially with the contractual issues with Sony.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#137586: Dec 2nd 2021 at 11:22:16 AM

Lego sets marketed pre-release generally don't actually tend have scenes from the film anymore, specifically because studios like Disney started complaining. Nowadays they just make up scenes and throw them onto a set.

We had this same convo about the dragon in the Shang-Chi Lego kit some months back, which wound up being legit. Given there's also other merchandise for the film featuring the character in question, I think it's likely they'll be showing up.

Speaking of green baddies, an Ant-Man 3 crew shirt that allegedly has Kang suited up.

SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#137587: Dec 2nd 2021 at 11:50:37 AM

These Dark Avengers wouldn't be the Master of Evil, a rival possibility, maybe even the Thunderbolts. The Master's endgame (this is becoming a pun) is almost always the destruction of the Avengers as a whole. Also, spider-man villains have clashed with other heroes on a regular basis, but yay sony would make it difficult.

Sincerely S Awatching.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#137588: Dec 2nd 2021 at 1:01:08 PM

[up][up]Again, the character in question being Gargantos, not Shuma-Gorath.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#137589: Dec 2nd 2021 at 2:11:02 PM

As I recall, the Shang Chi thing was a Funko Pop that released like a month before the film came out, also.

If I'm understanding the timeline correctly, it's theoretically possible Odin could have run into Wenwu while defending Earth from frost giants.

Holy shit.

Yes. Must happen.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#137590: Dec 2nd 2021 at 2:32:40 PM

The LEGO Shang-Chi dragon leak was all the way back in February. While caution is always a good thing, I’m thinking this is most likely legit, though not a 1:1 recreation of the film of course.

Edited by comicwriter on Dec 2nd 2021 at 2:33:43 AM

Weirdguy149 The King Without a Kingdom from Lumiose City under development Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The King Without a Kingdom
#137591: Dec 2nd 2021 at 2:52:29 PM

There was also a Funko Pop where Killmonger holds an Ultron head, which is a pretty big thing about What If's final episode.

It's been 3000 years…
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#137592: Dec 2nd 2021 at 2:53:20 PM

I like how since we're adapting more obscure stories it does add some new material to crossover stories which tend to be pretty rote greatest hits type fairs.

Like how Ultimate Alliance 3 was an Infinity Stones story because that is literally the only thing anyone ever does with Thanos.

So ya know fun material here for the next Lego Marvel or UA game to prolly involve Shang-Chi stuff, What-If stuff, and Eternals stuff in some capacity.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 2nd 2021 at 2:54:03 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137593: Dec 2nd 2021 at 2:56:23 PM

What If would make a great game with a lot of chapters or stand alone stories or something but I can’t figure out what gameplay would be best

If it’s heavy combat then the What Ifs don’t stand apart as much as they should

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
MatthewWayne The Man Outside Reality from TVA Headquarters Since: Oct, 2014
The Man Outside Reality
#137595: Dec 2nd 2021 at 3:50:05 PM

If What If...? were a game, I'm pretty everyone would only want to play as Strange Supreme, haha.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#137596: Dec 2nd 2021 at 3:54:22 PM

He gets the best abilities but the game autochooses the worst dialogue options

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Weirdguy149 The King Without a Kingdom from Lumiose City under development Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The King Without a Kingdom
#137597: Dec 2nd 2021 at 4:22:57 PM

I think it would work best as an episodic series of interactive movies with a lot of different endings.

It's been 3000 years…
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#137598: Dec 2nd 2021 at 7:22:42 PM

Why was anybody else even there at What If...?'s final battle? Strange Supreme practically solo'd Ultron.

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Ohmknight _(o)_ from the End Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#137599: Dec 2nd 2021 at 7:27:35 PM

[up]I think its more that Uatu knows the specific combination of people he needs to summon who will then eventually lead to a specific moment where Ultron is defeated. Its kinda a convoluted time-whimey thing where he knew the outcome of summoning the specific people to take ultron down

Edited by Ohmknight on Dec 2nd 2021 at 11:28:43 PM

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Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#137600: Dec 2nd 2021 at 7:28:47 PM

[up][up]Because it was blatantly clear when Ultron realized he should kill Strange that he could do it relatively easy if he was the main focus.


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