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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#125776: Mar 6th 2021 at 1:42:51 PM

Plus the fact the Hand is lead by Canon Foreigners.

The Fingers suffers from a lack of prescience and style compared to Nobu who was a badass ninja in a bright red gi.

Nobu had presence and style in spades.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125777: Mar 6th 2021 at 2:39:26 PM

Madame Gao was the only one I liked

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#125778: Mar 6th 2021 at 2:46:50 PM

Bakuto was definitely the weakest one. So shallow and forgettable.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#125779: Mar 6th 2021 at 2:50:27 PM

I found Murakami much more forgettable. He was a downgrade from his own subordinate Nobu.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#125780: Mar 6th 2021 at 3:04:57 PM

I still love that hallway fight in Defenders.

I'm disappointed that after being around for so long, the Hand were just so utterly unprepared for what the Defenders had to offer.

Like, I get it. These guys are superhuman in some way, but as Danny showed with the fist, someone like Luke can be hurt.

Speaking of, I also really like Danny's appearance in season 2 of Luke Cage. I think it influenced Danny sucking a lot less in season 2 of his own show.

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TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#125781: Mar 6th 2021 at 3:57:02 PM

Everybody's hype for Falcon-Winter Soldier would of course be increased if they brought back the HYDRA MVP.

Man, if they're gonna go there, then I really wish they revisit those robot ideas they had when they wanted Zola to appear in Ant-Man...

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#125782: Mar 6th 2021 at 4:08:47 PM

Me too. This one in particular was incredibly cool for Zola, with the Uncanny Valley head and the claw hands. They should definitely keep the creepy reverb from that scene and the green distortion in his screen.

Also on the subject of the Hand's leadership, Madame Gao is a borderline case. The show generally hinted she was a version of Crane Mother and Bakuto is from the comics, but the remaining three (Murakami, Sowande and Alexandra) are indeed straight outta nowhere. I do enjoy the idea of the Hand having five fingers leading them but they could have picked a lot more interesting people to lead it.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125783: Mar 6th 2021 at 4:11:03 PM

I don’t get why they blew the entire hand in one go

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#125784: Mar 6th 2021 at 4:14:13 PM

To rehash a previous post of mine, at least speaking anecdotally, my sense is that parodies of the Hand, such as the Foot Clan of TMNT are better known than the original, which is a sign that they should not be adapated, or else, should be adapted in a work that goes for the goofy, fantastical stuff, not for "gritty realism".

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#125786: Mar 6th 2021 at 4:17:17 PM

Skurge isn't the only one with guns.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#125787: Mar 6th 2021 at 4:18:03 PM

Left arm is Des and right arm is Troy. Together they des...troy.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
VengefulBale Dagded Dujardin from The Universe (it's his room) Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Dagded Dujardin
#125789: Mar 6th 2021 at 4:21:17 PM

[up] Nope. She trained and increased her musculature for this role

And holy shit, talk about a glow-up, Anakin will now be the one getting choked, alright

Edited by VengefulBale on Mar 6th 2021 at 6:23:18 AM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#125790: Mar 6th 2021 at 4:27:52 PM

All Thors in this film need a training montage. Do it. Thor loses his gut and Lady Thor (or is it just Jane Thor?) gets a standard one learning to use the hammer.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#125791: Mar 6th 2021 at 4:28:57 PM

She doing that Thor-lifting program.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#125793: Mar 6th 2021 at 4:43:09 PM

....was she always that buff?

She wasn't but I'm amused picturing her being always that jacked in every one of her roles. [lol]

Nute Gunray kidnaps Padme and then Padme just beats the snot out of him.

Black Swan but she's a mega buff ballet dancer.

Annihilation and she fights the bear fist to claw.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 6th 2021 at 4:44:03 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#125794: Mar 6th 2021 at 4:48:37 PM

Damn, someone get to work on these remakes already!

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#125795: Mar 6th 2021 at 8:49:16 PM

Hey, did the discussion of how mutants might be brought in get kicked over here from the Wanda Vision thread?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125796: Mar 6th 2021 at 9:20:56 PM

I want them to reuse Sigourney in something better. It's not like the Netflix shows are canon to the MCU any more.

Abigail Brand, maybe? Or something not on the nose, like Viper?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 6th 2021 at 9:22:31 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#125797: Mar 6th 2021 at 9:22:14 PM

What was up with the shows?

Did the later ones like bomb or did Disney merely end the contract because they wanted to make shows only they own?

[up][up] No but we can continue it.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 6th 2021 at 9:22:39 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125798: Mar 6th 2021 at 9:23:39 PM

General assumption is that Disney was in the midst of creating Disney+, and since the shows were joint owned by Netflix they couldn't follow the MCU into the new distribution format Disney had in mind and were thus cut looks - alongside your standard slew of creative and business differences between Netflix and Disney, of course.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#125799: Mar 6th 2021 at 9:23:59 PM

[up][up]From what I understand, the latter. This also ends spin-offs being kept at arms length and fully integrating them into the main plot.

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 6th 2021 at 12:24:19 PM

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#125800: Mar 6th 2021 at 11:13:40 PM

[up][up][up]Do you think they'll try to say there was a small population of mutants (~10k?) this whole time laying low?


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