Marvel Cinematic Universe

Vision presents the same writing problem that Captain Marvel does in context of the MCU. They were given their comics levels of strength, but the villains all got toned down to be more 'realistic,' so they come across as hilariously overpowered in a group.

Though the comics (as far as I've seen, I haven't seriously read them for years now due to the declining quality) now try to ride this train too, trying to make Carol the World's Strongest Woman, which she surely never was before.

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"Wow, I'm glad you can see into the future."

If Kraven is the villain.

I also said the word "Hypothetic"

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I guess Thor and Hulk lost the position in the mcu

Also, isn't technically Dormammu the strongest character in the MCU?

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jan 14th 2020 at 9:02:09 AM

Yes, they lost the position of "World's Strongest Woman."

If we're counting cosmic characters, not even close. That would be Eternity. Or the Living Tribunal. Or the One-Above-All.

They have yet to appear in the MCU (though I guess it's only a matter of time now). Ego might have counted too, but he's dead. Thanos with the complete set of stones probably was the most powerful, given that Doctor Strange managed to trick Dormammu with only one stone.

Edited by C105 on Jan 14th 2020 at 6:05:51 PM

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I missed the part where those characters appear in the mcu.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jan 14th 2020 at 9:05:07 AM

Yeah, in the MCU I think Dormammu so far has no peer.

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I mean, Dormammu isn't really "strong" in the traditional sense of the word, in the way we're all using it. He isn't a physical entity. You can't arm wrestle him. Physical strength doesn't mean anything to him. Saying that Dormammu is the "strongest" is being disingenuous.

Also, Eternity and the Living Tribunal totally exist in the MCU.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 14th 2020 at 9:13:38 AM

They haven't physically appeared yet, it might only be a Mythology Gag.

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Of the heroes, the strongest would be Carol, although Wanda and Strange have more hax.

If we are sticking to physical strength, I guess that would now be Carol, Thor and Hulk, more or less in that order. I'm not entirely sure if Banner kept all of the Hulk's strength in the Professor persona, so maybe he's further below that now.

In terms of raw power... kinda hard to tell now, but so far Dormammu seems the most powerful currently in existence now. We don't know enough about Eternity's power levels.

Edited by C105 on Jan 14th 2020 at 6:19:02 PM

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Dormammu is also the most powerful in his own dimension. On Earth, he was swiftly beaten by Strange using the Time Stone.

He never actually went to Earth (Strange beats him in his own turf), so we don't know how powerful he'd be here, but the story treats as if he'd be effectively omnipotent.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Strange never beat him, in fact Dormammu killed him easily dozens of times.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jan 14th 2020 at 9:22:28 AM

That's because the Infinity Gems are more powerful than Dormammu. The Gems are the most powerful ITEMS in the universe, but Dormammu is the most powerful living entity so far.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 14th 2020 at 6:24:11 PM

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Strange trapped him in a never-ending loop, forcing Dormammu to leave the dimension and never return. That's called beating him.

Then wouldn't the Celestials be considered the most powerful entities, since we saw one of them wielding the Power Stone with no trouble?

Edited by alliterator on Jan 14th 2020 at 9:22:14 AM

And now that the gems are destroyed...

Wait, when did we seen that?

Edited by C105 on Jan 14th 2020 at 6:26:06 PM

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I don't see the logic in that one. The Celestial used a stone, Dormammu had a stone used against him.

If he had the stone himself, I'm certain he also could've wielded it without any problems.

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Theoretically we know that Celestials can die/be killed as Knowhere exists but I don't think we have had confirmation as to what killed the former owner.

Edited by jakobitis on Jan 14th 2020 at 9:28:04 AM

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."

Also:

That was all on Earth. The Dark Dimension had entered Earth itself, which is how Strange was able to just fly up and land on one of those small Dark Dimension planets and then leave again when Dormammu agreed to the terms.

GOTG Vol 1, the Collector shows them all a clip of a Celestial wielding the Power Stone to destroy an entire world. "A little pee came out."

Edited by alliterator on Jan 14th 2020 at 9:28:17 AM

Thanos destroyed the stones a week or so post the end of Infinity War so when the heroes catch up to him to take the stones and undo the snap its too late. Its why they had to pull off the time heist to get the stones from the past.

Its possible the stones just reformed somewhere else after Thanos destroyed them but its a REALLY big galaxy and they could be anywhere, also there is no timeline for how long it would take for the stones to reform (if they can)

It would also be pretty lazy to bring them back.

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Oh, OK I forgot that was explicitly a Celestial. Makes some sense. Anyway, I think Ego was also referred to as a Celestial, and he proved quite vulnerable to a bomb exploding near his brain.

I guess that with the Eternals storyline we will see more of the Celestials. It's also possible that the Fantastic Four will bring Galactus.

Edited by C105 on Jan 14th 2020 at 6:34:35 PM

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That's distinction without a difference. They were in his home dimension, it was slowly starting to overtake ours, but it was still his dimension. The director even said that gambit only worked because Dormammu's dimension has no sense of time.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Yes, it worked because his dimension was "timeless" (i.e. there was no time), but he wasn't in his dimension anymore, therefore Strange was able to trap him in a time loop. That's the entire reason Strange was able to win: because Dormammu had come to Earth.

They were not. It was the Dark Dimension bleeding into Earth, but it was still Earth.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 14th 2020 at 9:47:04 AM