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Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM
Ignoring how inaccurate a lot of that may be, it doesn't even fit the trope as far as I can tell.
Looks like somebody who just dislikes the Netflix shows looking for an excuse trope to shoehorn their opinionated diatribe under.
Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jun 17th 2019 at 11:03:53 AM
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Oh, bother.
If anything, I'd put it under Seasonal Rot instead.
I generally avoid posting any YMMV stuff anyway.
Edited by M84 on Jun 17th 2019 at 11:36:49 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
The Head of the Hydra
What order should I watch the Netflix stuff anyway?
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
- Daredevil S1
- Jessica Jones S1
- Daredevil S2
- Luke Cage S1
- Iron Fist S1
- Defenders
- Punisher S1
- Jessica Jones S2
- Luke Cage S2
- Iron Fist S2
- Daredevil S3
- Punisher S2
- Jessica Jones S3
Deader Than Disco is notorious for overuse so it should get zapped.
A sweet moment from the MTV Movie Awards tonight: Brie Larson won for Best Fight Scene and brought her stunt doubles to the stage so they could give speeches too. 
I didn't think the fight scenes in Captain Marvel were all that remarkable in quality, although letting a female protagonist engage in bruiser-style combat is definitely nice. I appreciate her bringing her stunt doubles in as they don't get enough recognition.
Doctor of Doctorates
Clearly it was her fight with Yon Rogg that clinched the win.
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
More seriously, it was the fight against Minn-Erva.
Not sure how credible this is but...
You guys know how Rocket's lady-friend Lylla is allegedly appearing for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3?
Lady Gaga is being considered for the role.
Wouldn't be the first time Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga would play an item...
The Element of Hyperbole.
Who are the bad guys in the Punisher netflix series anyway?
Kaze ni Nare!
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In season 1, a corrupt FBI guy named Agent Orange who was using Frank's unit to do morally questionable things back during the War, indirectly caused the death of his family and is now trying to kill him to cover his tracks. He also was using the future Scarface as his Dragon, but this one doesn't actually become Scarface until the season finale. I haven't watched season 2, so I don't know about that one.
Frankly Punisher kinda is the worst character you could watch for his villains; with a few rare exceptions, most of his enemies die in their only appearance because that's his thing.
Minor thing. Agent Orange was CIA not FBI.
The Element of Hyperbole.
Oh I know. I was just curious.
Frankly, the villains of all the netflix shows since JJ season 1 have felt underwhelming. Although I've heard good things about Bushmaster (though I think I might scream if I see another villain who has comparable powers to the hero after how many superhero movies have done that lately) and Bullseye
Kaze ni Nare!
Not Scarface, Jigsaw.
Bushmaster doesn't really have the same powers as Luke Cage. He simulates the same powers by using different mystical herbs and rituals. Bullseye is pretty damn awesome, though, because he's been taught to act "normally" but still comes across as super creepy.
Edited by alliterator on Jun 18th 2019 at 8:39:47 AM
The Element of Hyperbole.
I know. But he still affects having Luke's powers, which is the part I find tiresome. He kinda just sounds like he has Luke Cage's powers, but not as good.
No, it really isn't, trust me. He doesn't feel like he's too similar to Luke Cage; But what made him really work is that, frankly... I was kinda rooting for him. I mean, he was pretty nice to his own people and his primary goal was to kill one of the most despicable characters in the show. It was hard not to support him.
Damn it, sorry. I keep confusing their name for some reason.
Edited by Theokal3 on Jun 18th 2019 at 6:31:47 PM
Queen of Good Things, Honest
Bushwacker doesn't really have the same powers as Luke at all. He has enhanced strength, but he's not invulnerable nor does he have the ability to override Luke's invulnerability.
The first season tried to threaten Luke by just ignoring his invulnerability. Luke has invulnerable skin, so the writers introduced super invulnerability-busting bullets that defeat invulnerable skin. It was phenomenally lazy writing.
Defenders tried to threaten Luke by just ignoring his invulnerability too. The one time he's actually supposed to lose a fight, they just declare that Elektra's super-strong enough to super-strength through his invulnerability. Because super-strength. This was even lazier writing, since they didn't even bother coming up with a reason why she can overpower his invulnerability; she just can 'cause deal with it.
But Luke's second season actually works with the central concept of the character. They kick off the second season by exiling the Judas Bullets from canon. It's just sorta declared that Luke's even more invulnerable now and the stupid bullets don't work anymore, and then no one ever speaks of that plot point again.
From there, the second season actually challenges its villains to work around Luke's invulnerability and find ways to threaten him without undermining the central concept of his powers. The result is a pretty creative and flavorful conflict. Luke Season 2 honestly feels like Luke couldn't just solve the plot by punching his way through it, and the methods used to assail him are innovative yet respectful of his powerset.
Season two is a huge improvement in a show that, despite its flaws, was already one of the best shows in the Marvel Netflix lineup.
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Defenders tried to threaten Luke by just ignoring his invulnerability too. The one time he's actually supposed to lose a fight, they just declare that Elektra's super-strong enough to super-strength through his invulnerability. Because super-strength. This was even lazier writing, since they didn't even bother coming up with a reason why she can overpower his invulnerability; she just can 'cause deal with it.
... Uh. I do not remember that.
But Luke's second season actually works with the central concept of the character. They kick off the second season by exiling the Judas Bullets from canon. It's just sorta declared that Luke's even more invulnerable now and the stupid bullets don't work anymore, and then no one ever speaks of that plot point again.
I do remember this on the other hand. That was one of my favourite moments in the show. Thanks God they got rid of these bullets.
IIRC, Bushmaster's approach to fighting Luke was basically to Kraven The Hunter him: a mix of enhanced strength, skilled fighting and using various poisons and tricks to sap his strength. It worked in part because of Luke's habit of marching into situations with little regard, relying on his toughness to save him.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Funny but not helpful
If Elektra could hit Luke Cage hard enough to knock him down with his ridiculous toughness how the hell can anyone else take a hit from her without exploding?
Thats dumb.
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Queen of Good Things, Honest
By being DareDevil.
That's basically what it boiled down to. Elektra was Matt's story, so only Matt could deal with her. Danny, Jessica, and Luke's job was to get out of the way and clear out the mooks and miscellaneous Hand bad guys, and let Matt have his climactic battle with Elektra.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 18th 2019 at 11:30:47 AM
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Funny but not helpful
That's dumb.
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Queen of Good Things, Honest
Super dumb.
Defenders was basically DareDevil Season 2.5, with some Amazing Friends thrown in. Iron Fist also got to play around with the plot points a bit, but that was mostly to wrap up a single plot point that was deliberately left open by Iron Fist's first season for the sake of wrapping it up here.
Luke and Jessica were pretty much just muscle in Matt and Danny's continuing story. This was to the detriment of the show, as Luke and Jessica were the only ones whose shows were really watchable. Everything you hated about DD2 and IF1 was on full display with none of the good elements from JJ1 and LC1.
Marvel sorely overestimated just how invested fans would be in the magic ninjas.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 18th 2019 at 11:33:58 AM
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Right, so this just got added to the YMMV page for the MCU:
"* Deader Than Disco: The Netflix shows were initially met with widespread acclaim with the first and second seasons of Daredevil, first season of Jessica Jones, and first season of Luke Cage being huge successes. But once Iron Fist and the long-awaited The Defenders came out and were deemed underwhelming, things took a downward turn. Only the third season of Daredevil and first season of The Punisher were generally considered good, while the second seasons of The Punisher, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones were all met with mixed to negative reactions, and the second season of Iron Fist was not enough of an improvement to save the show's reputation. On top of that, complaints about the Darker and Edgier natures of the shows began piling on despite having been praised before, and their lack of a solid connection to the rest of the MCU had everyone questioning whether or not the shows are even to be considered canon. By the time the new Disney+ shows were announced, all the Netflix shows got cancelled, and the third and final season of Jessica Jones proved even more divisive than the previous season, many people had come to consider the Netflix corner of the MCU as a failed experiment whose demise is for the best."
Well then.
EDIT: sorry for the page-topper!
Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Jun 17th 2019 at 7:54:47 AM
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