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He does kind of get swept up in the flow of things while he's pondering the decision.

The first calm moment he has to reconsider he's already halfway to Titan.

A moment too late. Remember he decided to quip with Squiward at that point as well when he could have turned the phone on so they could listen in.

He left the phone behind I thought. That's how Bruce calls Cap.

There was a literal alien invasion happening directly in front of him. He had more pressing things to attend to than arranging meetups.

That's not really the point, though. The split in the team had already occurred. By the time the Children of Thanos invaded, it was too late: Steve wasn't there and couldn't have gotten there in time to help. Civil War really sets the stage for Infinity War by ensuring that the Avengers cannot act as a unified team, and Civil War is caused mostly by Tony's arrogance (regardless of whether you agree with the Accords in principle).

Edited by Fighteer on Jun 3rd 2019 at 4:38:42 AM

This is true.

But I still don't think it would have made a dent in Thanos's forces. Endgame showed us that the Avengers needed a lot more help to even hold Thanos off. And even then, it took Infinity Gauntlet hax to actually beat Thanos. Right up to the end, he was simply out of their league.

If anything, dividing Thanos's forces by meeting them on different fronts is what allowed the meager victories over his Children that the Avengers claimed in Infinity War.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 3rd 2019 at 2:45:41 AM

I suppose. I think that they might have had a better chance if they were in full control of both the Mind and Time Stones, while Thanos is denied the Soul Stone thanks to the Guardians not being idiots. It doesn't matter because the narrative says they have to lose, but it would at least have been a closer fight.

Edited by Fighteer on Jun 3rd 2019 at 4:57:48 AM

Whats funny is that the Mind and Time Stones were probably the ones that were most understood.

The wizards had been studying the Time Stone so long that they had a special interface built for it and an entire instruction manual tome.

And the Mind Stone had been studied for a shorter period of time but it was in Vision's head and he was a big thinker.

After decades of study, nobody on Earth really understood the Space Stone and Asgard treated it as a shiny paperweight.

Even the Dark Elves, the people that probably had the most history with the Reality Stone, were very good at it.

And I guess there's the argument that the Power Stone is mostly a blunt hammer made of explodium.

I figure even if Cap and co. we’re there and held the Order off, eventually Thanos would get exasperated enough to use the “just gonna blow up this planet with a thought” Power Stone.

There's a lot of variables and decisions going into that final confrontation that make it hard to say the outcome would be the same every time if only the participants are consistent. Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, or Doctor Strange probably could have solo'd stoneless Thanos while the rest of the Avengers mop up his army. But the former got taken out by a Power Pawnch only possible by Thanos being lucky enough to get the gauntlet mid-battle, the middle got taken out by haphazard supporting fire, and the latter was too distracted by an arena-specific lake hazard to actively fight. Chance and blind strategy played out for and against both sides until it came down the final move of Stark snapping Thanos away.

Re: Reed Richards Is Useless:

Is there anything in later movies that contradicts Tony using Arc Reactors to provide the world with cheap, green energy? Any references to fuel shortages or the like?

Barring anything like that, you could assume that Tony did exactly what he promised. We just don't see the effects of it, 'cause these aren't the sorts of movies where you'd expect to see people discussing their power bills or worrying about the environmental impact of fossil fuels.

Edited by RavenWilder on Jun 3rd 2019 at 2:22:16 AM

The story has never implied he ever did and the one time they last brought up using Arc Reactors as an energy source for non-suits, it was the Monument to his ego in New York with his name on it.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 3rd 2019 at 2:52:35 AM

Maybe its the cost of making Arc Reactors that makes them less widespread,and not everyone wants to make Stark even richer

Yeah I’m pretty sure most energy companies not affiliated with Stark would take issue with Arc Reactors.

Ah yes human greed. The greatest enemy of change.

I like to believe that Stark Industries was plugging away at making it happen anyway while Tony was throwing money at college students.

It was mostly Quill being a jackass and Thor being too set on revenge to want to work with them.

That being said, Gamora should have gone with him instead of the others, because then she'd have never been in a position to get caught, lead Thanos to the Soul Stone, and die for his man pain.

and now I'm just picturing Tony stark bombarding students with coins

Then those students using those coins so each can become a different coin-based supervillain. God damn it, Tony, not again.

I blame the Soul Stone on Gamora and Nebula being idiots. There's a lot of blame to go around but Nebula attempting to single handedly kill Thanos got her caught to be used as leverage against Gamora and clued Thanos that Gamora knew more about the Soul Stone than she had let on. And Gamora then makes a very similar mistake on Knowhere.

Granted, Nebula nearly nipped the whole problem in the bud before the movie even started.

Gamora going to Knowhere was definitely an Idiot Ball moment. She asks Quill to kill her if there's a risk that Thanos might capture her, but the better option would have been to stick with Thor and Rocket. Then she wouldn't deliver herself into Thanos's hands to begin with.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 3rd 2019 at 4:20:46 AM

Hey Quill came up with the plan!

Then he also botched it with his in the moment emotional reaction to people he loves dying.

Pretty much yeah. She should have gone with Thor. He seemed to at least like her.

Of course, that means there would have been no one to assist Tony, Strange and Peter, because since Thanos doesn't know where Gamora is, he can't lay a trap to catch her which means Nebula likely dies and doesn't tell Quill where to meet her.

Then again, if she doesn't, she might still send the message to warn Gamora, which Quill might relay to her (since I assume the Benetar can communicate with it's own escape pod), which will then reach Thor, so it's him who meets Tony, Strange and Peter on ....what is the name of that planet again? I'm derping.

Point is, Gamora not sticking with the two stooges and Quill is a massive improvement.

He might use Quill against her instead.

Shoot him.

Where's the loss?