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Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM
She was never a prostitute, yes, but she was retconned to have Rape as Backstory.
Well, thankfully none of those backstories made it into the MCU.
For Mantis, James Gunn made her an alien instead of a Vietnamese prositute, so there's that. Vanessa Carlyle, however, was totally a prostitute in Deadpool, even if she ended up falling for and settling down with Wade himself (although her being a prostitute is never actually portrayed as a bad thing, nor is she technically "Copycat" in this universe). As for Karen Page, Deborah Ann Woll has said that she told the Daredevil producers that she didn't want that part of Karen's backstory part of the show, while in Iron Fist, Mary Walker's backstory was changed from being a prostitute to being a soldier in the US armed forces. All changes for the better, pretty much.
Edited by alliterator on Apr 20th 2019 at 1:24:49 AM
Queen of Good Things, Honest
Eeyup. This:
Is also a problem too.
The most notorious example I can think of is Falcon. Sam Wilson was originally introduced as a social worker who met Captain America after his plane crashed on Exile Island.
A later writer retconned his backstory to say that the social worker story was a lie. He was actually a gangbanger and pimp who went by the moniker Snap Wilson. He only thought he was a social worker because the Red Skull brainwashed him as part of an elaborate plan.
This remained uncontested for decades before a third writer came along and retconned it out, asserting that the Red Skull's brainwashing actually made him think he was a pimp pretending to be a social worker when he was, in truth, a legitimate social worker. And then used this as a vehicle for Sam to give a monologue about how incredibly f*cking racist that backstory retcon was.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 20th 2019 at 9:04:05 AM
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You know, I prefer the Falcon we got in the MCU...
Yeah, Marvel Comics' long history means that a lot of sexist and racist stuff ended up becoming a part of characters' history. Most of it today is just ignored outright, but sometimes writers go out of their way to retcon out the bad stuff.
Incidentally, the story where Luke Cage goes to Latveria and tells Doctor Doom, "Where's my money, honey?" has never been retconned, nor should it.
Edited by alliterator on Apr 20th 2019 at 8:29:16 AM
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
He beat up Doctor Doom for $100 dollars.
And that is enough.
Everybody pays what they owe. Doom is no exception.
One Strip! One Strip!
It was $200 dollars. But yes.
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
Oh. Then that makes it more important.
I love that Luke just did on his own what the FF have needed to be a team to do: just beat Victor's ass.
And for a relatively minor reason too.
Also, just found this video about how Thanos should fear Iron Man the most. I think there are some good points here, and I may have already realized some of what it said:
He does also make it a point to kill Loki, probably due to the latters Wild Card nature, but I think what is said here makes sense.
One Strip! One Strip!
Lies! Slanders! It was clearly a Doombot! Doom would never cheat from a silly man in a tiara 200 of the filthy American dollars, which are much less valuable than the magnificance that is Latverian currency.
Doom blames RICHARDSSSSS for this
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
...
It probably was a Doombot actually.
That being said, he knows he can't say the same about Squirrel Girl.
One Strip! One Strip!
Funny but not helpful
Doom is still having nightmares about squirrels crawling up his tunic.
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Actually, I think it was confirmed to not be a Doombot, it is one of the few times Doom was defeated in comics canon.
The lesson here, then, is that you don't bilk a six feet tall tiara wearing man with super strength.
Edited by HailMuffins on Apr 20th 2019 at 1:47:10 PM
Funny but not helpful
Very specifically though the one time Doom let Arcade strike a match on his armor was definitely a Doombot because DOOM would not stand such an affront to the glorious personage that is DOOM
The concept of doombots is dumb sometimes
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Of course, Al Ewing also had Doom playing the song "All you need is Doom" while walking through is castle.
Edited by alliterator on Apr 20th 2019 at 9:56:35 AM
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
Al Ewing is a genius.
One Strip! One Strip!
Funny but not helpful
Fair enough
Al Ewing is a relatively more recent writer
I think John Byrne was the one who retconned a doombot into that Arcade story
He had a real bug in his bonnet about how Doom was presented
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Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
Yeah. Some writers were like that.
The flaw of a shared universe is that some dudes don't wanna play in the sandbox with the other kids.
Or they don't really get a character someone else wrote and don't really try to do them justice.
One Strip! One Strip!
Yep, John Byrne was not happy about that.
Disasturbator
> The flaw of a shared universe is that some dudes don't wanna play in the sandbox with the other kids.
and some dudes let their cat in the sandpit
New theme music also a box
Comics writing is like public administration: whenever a new one gets into the position, their first action is to undo everything their predecessor set up.
The Head of the Hydra
Some of the better writers generally use continuity in their works.
Amusingly the antagonist for Blackest Night came from Geoff Johns using a one-panel character from a comic Alan Moore wrote years ago.
Moore then proceeded to complain about it.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
"Moore then proceeded to complain about it" is basically how Moore's relationship to mainstream comics has proceeded for the past 20 years or so.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Your recollection is incorrect. Black Cat wasn't retconned into an ex-prostitute.
Edited by windleopard on Apr 19th 2019 at 11:05:33 AM