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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99351: Mar 26th 2019 at 1:12:45 AM

[up][up] I give the first one a pass, minus the ending. I would categorize it as "good enough" but not "great".

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#99352: Mar 26th 2019 at 1:16:09 AM

Anyway, to get back on Marvel, who do you think is likely to be revived or stay dead in Endgame?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#99353: Mar 26th 2019 at 1:28:17 AM

He also wrote an issue of Hitman with Superman in it that I think is fantastically overrated. For one thing, it somehow uses Superman to be vaguely anti-immigrant.
Huh? The issue isn't anti-immigrant, it's pro-immigrant. In fact, Tommy calls Superman "the ultimate immigrant story," the ultimate expression of the American Dream.

And for another, it implies that Superman... Superman... Superman... SUPERMAN would just let an assassin carry on murdering someone because he let him vent for a minute.
Uh, no, Superman doesn't know Tommy is an assassin. That's very, very clear, since Superman leaves before Tommy kills anyone and, in the Hitman/JLA special, Superman has no idea Tommy is an assassin and is disappointed when he learns it. Hell, Superman prays for his soul. "And its here that I come to offer a prayer to the Lord for the soul of a killer."

For an issue thats about why Superman is great, it sure doesn't shy away from making him look either like a moron or someone who tacitly condone a man's death.
The issue is about how Superman is very depressed because he watched a man die whom he tried and couldn't save. He's very distracted. Plus, he's not in the business of listening in on everything or else he wouldn't get anything done. He learned a long time ago that he had to block out things.

You can say many, many things about Garth Ennis, but Hitman is a fucking masterpiece.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 26th 2019 at 1:28:26 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99354: Mar 26th 2019 at 1:43:44 AM

Everyone who got dusted will be back. Otherwise I don't know. Well, I am pretty sure that Heimdall is dead for good.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#99355: Mar 26th 2019 at 1:44:10 AM

It's been noted that while Garth Ennis very openly dislikes superheroes in general, he tends to be respectful of the Superman character.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#99356: Mar 26th 2019 at 1:45:43 AM

And yet he’s still hired to write superhero comics.

It is a bit of an oddity.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#99357: Mar 26th 2019 at 1:46:55 AM

I guess it's because executives realize there's a market demand for stories like the ones Ennis writes. Some "fans" of superhero comics like seeing the piss being taken out of costumed superheroes.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#99358: Mar 26th 2019 at 1:48:38 AM

And I think not everything he’s written is fucking shite.

I think he’s one of those writers who has LOW lows but pretty damn HIGH highs on occasion or once in a blue moon.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#99359: Mar 26th 2019 at 1:50:20 AM

And yet he’s still hired to write superhero comics.
Not really. Most of what Ennis is hired to write is either war comics (which he loves) or comics which specifically deconstruct/subvert the superhero genre. Marvel and DC know not to hire him for a straight up superhero book.

And if you are talking about The Boys, nobody hired him to write The Boys, that's his own original creation. And his thinking was "What if I did to superheroes the same thing I did to religion."

Edited by alliterator on Mar 26th 2019 at 1:51:16 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#99360: Mar 26th 2019 at 4:55:09 AM

> Everyone who got dusted will be back

Imagine if the reset button had the effect of bringing back those who died instead of being dusted

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Gort Since: Sep, 2010
#99361: Mar 26th 2019 at 6:22:09 AM

It’s either that or lose Gamora and Vision entirely. Doubt a Got G 3 without la Saldana would be worth watching. She’s the team’s moral compass as shown in Infinity War.

Edited by Gort on Mar 26th 2019 at 1:22:26 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#99362: Mar 26th 2019 at 6:23:47 AM

I’ve heard rumors or maybe just people speculating based on meta knowledge that everyone who died is being stored in the soul gem

And Infinity Wars, which was made to tie into Infinity War somewhat, made a big to do about the soul gem

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#99363: Mar 26th 2019 at 6:28:15 AM

Well the Soul Stone required a sacrifice for some reason, so Gamora will definitely have some ties with that.

Makes you wonder if the other stones required a sacrifice as well before they were taken from their original resting place.

Edited by fasoman1996 on Mar 26th 2019 at 10:28:28 AM

Uni cat
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99364: Mar 26th 2019 at 6:54:31 AM

[up]wild mass guess They did and when Endgame ends, all those people will come back to life, which will be the origin story for the Eternals….

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#99365: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:28:15 AM

Something I was reminded of through that Stucky discussion.

I don't know where I had read about it (maybe Scans Daily?) but I learned recently that MCU!Bucky's backstory is actually based on this character named Arnold Roth, a gay, Jewish friend of Steve.

As with MCU!Bucky, Roth started out as a childhood friend with this Big Brother Mentor Bully Hunter role, and then the roles were later reversed, once Steve got super-powers.

Incidentally, I know that there are only so many plots in comic books and villains brainwashing people to be evil is a very, very, very common one, but although I had assumed that Zemo's plotline in Civil War was inspired by part of the Brubacker run where Zemo tried to frame Bucky (already Captain America at this point), I see from the linked article that Zemo also brainwashed and manipulated Roth in the comics.

I find it really interesting though, as while the Ganke/Ned thing is really well known, this is pretty obscure. Up until coming across the story, I had just figured that the changes to MCU!Bucky where a pretty natural decision to avoid having him start out as Steve's (Poisonous Friend) Kid Sidekick (insert Doctor Strange comment about Peter as Tony's Ward here). Which is definitely part of it. But it was interesting to learn that the specific characterization of Bucky in the MCU is inspired by a pre-existing comics character.

Of course, the fact that the inspiration character was gay doesn't mean that Bucky is necessarily gay or bi, but I think knowing that does give another layer of understanding to his character.

Edited by Hodor2 on Mar 26th 2019 at 9:28:31 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#99366: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:28:55 AM

So, 3 hour, 2 minute runtime for Endgame.

Can we bring back intermissions for this film?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#99367: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:33:06 AM

I've heard that they're being brought back.

Coupled with bafflement by non-Americans that they're not standard.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99368: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:52:09 AM

I am not sure if the number is official yet. But I would totally watch a three hour long movie.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#99369: Mar 26th 2019 at 8:28:19 AM

I remember seeing Return of the King in theaters, but I cannot recall leaving in the middle of it. Either way, I can sit through 3 hours of Avengers.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#99370: Mar 26th 2019 at 8:40:29 AM

Me too, as long as I don't drink a large soda with my snacks.

And I always buy a lot of snacks — I make a point of skipping a meal before watching movies.

What can I say, movie theatre snacks are a guilty pleasure. The hot dogs, the popcorn, the nachos, the fried chicken strips, the candy...

Edited by M84 on Mar 26th 2019 at 11:41:53 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#99371: Mar 26th 2019 at 8:42:53 AM

First time watching Infinity War, I thought it’d have another 20 minutes when it ended, so I’m prepared, I suppose.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#99372: Mar 26th 2019 at 8:47:20 AM

I had to take a break during ROTK. Not that I wasn't going to watch it a dozen times on DVD, and the same goes with Endgame.

Guess I'll go on a low-soda diet before the show. tongue

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#99373: Mar 26th 2019 at 8:51:27 AM

I'd rather have an interval. As I've said before, 3 hours is fine if used well; will judge a bit harsher on stuff that could have been cut.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#99374: Mar 26th 2019 at 8:53:31 AM

I can handle myself without bathroom break. I did so watching Infinity War and i can probably do it here.

Uni cat
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99375: Mar 26th 2019 at 8:57:04 AM

Since a lot of theatres over here will just throw in a break anyway, I would prefer a planned interval.


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