Marvel Cinematic Universe

Maybe is just me but in this case I kind get way, to see Tony prove he have more than just putting the armor and shooting things is awsome, after all tony IS also a genius.

In fact is kinda why rhodes is just so there as chararter: aside of the armor who have weapon he dosent have anything else to stand up.

I mean Tony using the suit is good but is no the best of Iron man.

"there should be some sort of point or reason why." does it? it just there for the final point of puting the president and srtting on fire.

" I don't get why Killian even decides to attack, it doesn't fit into his plan at all (and the plan is otherwise pretty smart, btw), but two, why is Pepper still in the house?"

Because a) he got tony, who he really hates b) he manage to get rid of him right now, c) it really boost is mandaring rep if he does, and I mean why he shoudnt do it? he almost kill him and pepper was there to visit tony....is not hard to graps.

"I hate that they seem to think that Pepper needs to be some sort of action girl instead of allowing her to be the competent CEO she is and help Tony that way."

I will get that is to give pepper something to do, after all he spend a good chunk inconunicate with him so she cant do that much and lack of trust....well, tony is kind of men who is hard to trust.

Killian wanted to work with Tony five minutes prior and he still has an interest in getting him fixing his problem. Trying to kill him seems to be a random decision only made because the movie decided it needed an action scene.

And Pepper is in a relationship with Tony. There should be more of, well, an actual relationship between those two.

But it is the best of Iron Man because it’s what makes him Iron Man. It’s the embodiment of his entire intellect.

It’s why every form of research or discovery Tony makes is used to create a new suit, because it’s what gives him look.

Without the suit he’s got no style & style is fucking important with superheroes.

It’s these specific gimmicks that helps give the silence characters specific niches & powersets. Banner has the Hulk, Pym has Pym Particles, & Reed has his crazy-ass family.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 10th 2019 at 9:09:43 AM

IM 3's not a great Iron Man movie, but I like it in bits and pieces, the mini-sequels to Home Alone and Kiss Bang Bang that are in there, the intermission with Trevor Slattery. I'm not going to defend the rest, but RDJ is reason enough to watch at least that much, and then block out the rest as needed.

Also, I don't really think everything Tony listens to has to be heavy metal just because he likes some AC/DC and Sabbath? People have layers, they can like multiple genres. He was club-hopping billionaire in the 2000s, I guarantee that's not all he listened to.

Edited by Unsung on Jan 10th 2019 at 10:16:39 AM

That is like saying the thing that make Hank pym is is shriking or reed richard is power, they are more than that, they are super genius and they show it, he is more than the suit just like warmachine is not just that.

"And Pepper is in a relationship with Tony. There should be more of, well, an actual relationship between those two. "

Tony is suffering from something and no telling people is not inusual in him, I mean he didnt in iron man 2 right until the very end.

Edited by unknowing on Jan 10th 2019 at 1:13:34 PM

The skydiving scene in Iron Man 3 is easily one of the best Iron Man scenes in the whole MCU, easy top 10. Better than any Iron Man scene in Iron Man 2.

Well that's because its kinda true.

It wouldn't be interesting if they all had the same powers.

I mean mac-guyvering is not tht impressive for a super-genious.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 10th 2019 at 9:17:05 AM

We already got to see Tony without his gimmecks. In Ironman 1. When he build his first suit. IN A CAVE! WITH A BUNCH OF SCRAPS!!!!

I still think the scene where Tony gives his address away on live television is one of the dumbest moments in the MCU. Like, I know Tony's an impulsive man and his friend was nearly killed in a terrorist attack. But deliberately giving your home address away and not having any plan for when they decided to attack just made him look like a complete dumbass. Even if his mansion wasn't attacked, what the hell was Tony expecting would come from this? He's a public figure who's made a lot of enemies over the years. Pepper had every right to pack her thing and GTFO, and Tony didn't even seem to be protecting the two of them despite his main conflict being how overly paranoid he was of a future attack (hence the multiple Iron Man suits).

If it had just been Tony taunting the Mandarin, I wouldn't have such a problem. But no, let's have Tony specifically list his address and dare the Mandarin to attack him without having a back-up plan. Why not have him give away his social security number and a list of his top ten greatest fears while we're at it. I don't hate Iron Man 3 like a lot of people do, but this scene bugged me when I first watched it and it still bugs me now.

And don't say the location of his mansion is already public knowledge, because that's not the point.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jan 10th 2019 at 12:19:33 PM

The time feels a bit misspent, yeah. Like we see that he's been building all these new suit designs, but do they work in ways of using them onscreen? Not really. I mean, the one really cool scene I do remember from IM 2 is the briefcase suit. That's both a nod to the classic comics and something that felt very unique and specific to this version of Iron Man. We need those moments of specificity, not just Tony being a snarky genius, because that is something you can get with other characters.

Edited by Unsung on Jan 10th 2019 at 10:23:02 AM

Really the main issue is that the whole thing went on for too long.

I don't have an issue with Tony mac-guyvering but it shouldn't have taken as long as it did.

That detaching suit he made was fucking terrible, one of his worst suits since it always kept falling apart.

Its like how in The Dark Knight Rises, Batman was only onscreen 15 minutes out of a nearly 3-hour movie. Show me more of the title character ya know.

Yeah they didn't use the armors creatively enough. It all just becomes a Zerg Rush at the end of 3.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 10th 2019 at 9:21:01 AM

I disagree, I mean macguiviring can be intersting because most of the time super genius just stay in their lab and create stuff to used later, is good but very plot specific.

the idea that the suit making Iron man feel weird because them everyone can be one, which isnt the case.

Considering Stane with even his best & brightest scientists under his disposal couldn't even replicate the Mark 1 without an Ark Reactor straight from Stark himself.......

No, not anyone can just be Iron Man. The only reason Iron Man exists in the first place was because of Tony.

Its explicitly stated in the movies that everyone has tried to make their own Iron Man and they were all complete failures. Only Vanko ever came close.

It's not just wearing the suit, it's all the tinkering and ongoing iterations of each new design — seeing the briefcase suit for the first time, the nanite suit's feet merging into a single rocket booster, the Hulkbuster, the Iron Legion — always the latest model, taking the familiar and tweaking it just so, honing it more and more, the way car manufacturers do. And MacGyvering can work for the character, but as I mentioned, what we see in IM 3 feels a lot more Home Alone than Tony Stark.

The problem with straying too far from the suits and flying and palm blasts and uni-beams is the same problem you get when you turn Superman into a pair of red-and-blue electric twins: it's just not what people thought they were buying a ticket for.

Edited by Unsung on Jan 10th 2019 at 11:05:09 AM

And yet he win in the most unlikie of escenario not because is suit is superior, but because he is smart and resorfull, that is the most intersting part of tony stark.

I dont know, maybe is me but "trying to do the best and almost falling" since to be overplay a this point, I dont really care about tony being a mess a this point.

Edited by unknowing on Jan 10th 2019 at 1:30:36 PM

Damn you put it better than I did.

Like yeah its not really Iron Man exactly, just super-scientist guy.

He won because he knew the limits of the suit better. Stane was just a copy-cat, you can't beat the original.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 10th 2019 at 9:32:57 AM

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Iron Man 3 is a great Shane Black movie. As an Iron Man film, it's okay, but it's one of Shane Black's Shane Black-iest films.

Seriously, it has all the traditional elements of a Shane Black film:

• It happens during or right before Christmas.
• It features a buddy cop style team-up between a snarky white guy and a more competent black guy (or a snarky alcoholic and a more competent regular guy).
• It features a small child who could be annoying, but is actually funny.

It's Lethal Weapon/The Last Boy Scout/Kiss Kiss Bang Bang/The Nice Guys.

Stane ALMOST beat Iron man with is copy desing, that fight REALLY push the limit of the armor.

In fact how much armor do we really see anyway?, Iron man 1 have some, including the final fight, 2 barely have anything except whisplash fight and that suck, Iron man 3 disregard much of the armor to make a point about tony(one I agree actually), avenger 1 have thor encounter and the climax, and so own.

Like I said, I dont feel is more important about the chararter.

Edited by unknowing on Jan 10th 2019 at 1:40:53 PM

Iron Monger only did as well against Iron Man as it did because Tony had to rely on the more primitive portable reactor he created in that cave with a box of scraps since Stane tore out the better one in his chest and used it to power Iron Monger.

Iron Monger also took a different design approach, favoring heavier weaponry and it functioned more like a Mini-Mecha than a suit. Not unlike the Hulkbuster armor introduced later.

Edited by M84 on Jan 11th 2019 at 1:47:35 AM

At least those movies had Tony working & perfecting his craft.

3 had him make a stun-gun & infiltrate a base in a hoodie.

Impressive sure but not exactly Tony Stark.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 10th 2019 at 9:52:50 AM

To be fair, the third film is more about "Who is Tony Stark without his Iron Man armor?" and the answer was "Still Iron Man." The story couldn't work if he always had access to his armor, just like there are storyarcs in the comic where Tony is denied access to his armor.

And that stun gun (and other weaponry) was created by things he got at a Target. Which is still pretty impressive.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 10th 2019 at 10:12:14 AM

Yeah, this case is macguiiring is part of a point, is seen tony being tony .

I remember back when Iron Man 3 came out, RDJ's contract ran out and it wasn't exactly clear whether he would appear in future Marvel films or not. A lot of people thought this was going to be the last time we saw Tony Stark actually suit up.

Obviously, that didn't happen. Although I gotta ask; how would you guys feel if Iron Man 3 was the final appearance of Tony Stark? There's no cameos in the Avengers, Civil War doesn't happen, Iron Man 3 is the last Iron Man film as intended. How would the MCU change?

Personally, I really like how the Russos handle Tony in their films, and I'm glad he's still around. But what if he wasn't?

Since the comparisons have been raised, I wonder how Iron Monger would fare against the Hulkbuster. Like, obviously it'd get destroyed easily, but how easily? Would it be able to put up any kind of fight whatsoever?

Iron monger still need more adition considering how Tony take avantage of it, so at best I will give Iron monger one or two lucky shots.

After seen Iron man 3 I will said the oposite: I will wish Iron man 3 havent happen because it just stick up like a sore thumb.

is like seen a alcholoci recovering only to fall harder, comparing Tony in Iron man 3 with civil war is....hard to watch.

Edited by unknowing on Jan 10th 2019 at 2:32:39 PM