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Because if Hulk was just Banner's repressed anger, the moment he calmed down he would simply reverse back into "puny Banner". The green guy would be just a side effect of an emotional state.

Everyone behaves more erratically when they're angry, it's not the same as having Dissociative Identity Disorder that is simply triggered by anger (which I'm sure is not how DID works, but you get my point).

I read somewhere today that it's speculated Hulk is an entity that possessed Bruce after his bomb made an inter dimensional rift that allowed it to cross over,though the multiple hulks suggest it's a slew of entities possessing him,poor guy someone should get Doctor Strange to preform an exorcism or something

New theme music also a box

Do you want strange to get his hands crushed again?

One Strip! One Strip!

Yes,yes I do

New theme music also a box

Do you want him to get Mace hands again?

One Strip! One Strip!

I don't what that means but yes,yes I do

New theme music also a box

After the Hulk crushed his hands during World War Hulk, Strange made a deal with a demon that gave him replacement Mace hands...

...and I just realized, that when I brought up Strange's hands getting crushed, you were talking about his original accident.

Boy was that a hilarious mix-up.

One Strip! One Strip!

Besides, the Hulk crushed his arms, not his hands.

@Swan While Banner and Elizabeth might be debatable, whats so miscast about William Hurt as General Ross?

And Tim Roth as Blonsky, for that matter?

Edited by Forenperser on Dec 15th 2018 at 12:28:54 PM

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I just wish that he would show a little bit more worry about his daughter. He worked well enough in civil war though.

Blonski I can take or leave.

The Incredible Hulk suffered a lot in that it was released between Iron Man and The Dark Knight. When a superhero film comes out between what are widely considered to be the best in the genre, it's pretty much doomed to be forgotten. Especially when it was just pretty average all around.

I do want to see Blonsky return in some form, since he was blatantly left alive at the end of the film and one of the Marvel One-Shots showed that Ross was advocating for him to join the Avengers. Maybe you could show that his mutations have changed him even further if you wanted to make his design more accurate to the comics.

You could also say that what amount to a decade of imprisonment has allowed him to figure it out how to change from human to Abomination and back, so they can focus the C Gi budget into the fight scenes.

Besides, the Abomination is a character that would benefit from looking a bit off, like the Black Order.

Remember: Coulson also referred to "Blonsky's cryo-cell" in Alaska during an episode of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. So he's definitely still alive...but he also may or may not have escaped when Hydra caused all that chaos.

Honestly, though, I think I'd rather have the Leader. The Abomination versus the Hulk would just be another big old fist fight — but the Leader is supposed to be a super genius and sets all these plans in motion. Aside from Zemo, I don't think we've really had a villain like that and the Leader should be someone much more outlandish and campy than Zemo.

Also, this would make an awesome post-credits scene.

"The Hulk is not just Bruce Banner repressed Id, he really is his own individual, and the whole reason the two never really got into conflict with one another is because Bruce never let him out of the shed long enough for the guy to even notice he was being used pretty much as an attack dog and get sick of it."

Funny thing is, that argument work better as "Hulk as inner id": it can be ass ironic how Hulk is sick of being Banner atack dog for is little punny group, kinda like Banner was annoying for the army and SHIELD, Loki, Wanda or anyone else to manipulating him.

You can see there is a degree of hypocrisy here, which is fine because Banner really like the hulk.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Shit like this is precisely why the Hulk is such a divisive character.

"The Hulk is not Bruce Banner's suppressed rage. He's an entirely separate person, and also he's multiple different people each with their own independent personality and characteristics. He's a mob enforcer, he's an evil dictator, he's a noble hero, he's a savage mindless beast, he may or may not be an interdimensional entity that latched onto Bruce's psyche, etc. etc."

On the one hand, you have comic book fans who love diving into the different Hulks and the complex interactions between the Hulk and Banner and shit.

And on the other hand, you have people who think that all sounds really f*cking stupid and much prefer the simple allegory of a man whose rage turns him into a beast.

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More than that, im case, I want a consistent metaphore and stuff and STICK with it, to where? I can barely give a damn, just do it.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Solution: Hulkverse Battle Royale. One Hulk leaves.

Edited by LordVatek on Dec 15th 2018 at 8:50:46 AM

This song needs more love.

I think it works best with the idea that the Hulk is who Banner, deep down in the part of his mind he doesn't like to acknowledge, wishes he could be. Someone who doesn't have to worry about thinking or self-control, who just follows his base instincts and impulses (including but hardly limited to anger), and has the physical might to back it up. The Hulk is thus his own personality, but he's one sculpted out of Banner's repressed desires, and if Banner were to become a more well-adjusted person, the Hulk would become a less savage and destructive entity as a reflection of that.

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko

Well, that wouldn't really work on the MCU, I mean, maybe he has fetish for putting peanut butter inside a dolphin's blowhole off-camera, who knows, but Ruffalo's Banner seems like a pretty well-adjusted dude from what we see of him.

It's one of the reasons I like his version the best: he's not a depressed, barely functional individual, he's just a pretty normal dude with a really anormal problem that he does the best to live with.

"What we see on the surface" is generally not how people are deep down — and even moreso for Bruce Banner, who has some deep-seated issues in the comics. He may look well-adjusted, but in the comics 1) his mother died in childbirth, 2) his father blamed him for his mother's death and called him "little monster," 3) he ended up accidentally killing his father when he pushed him into his mother's gravestone.

I mean, there is a reason why Bruce said, "I'm always angry." Ruffalo's Banner may look laid back and functional, but he has issues. Just look at him in Age of Ultron.

Edited by alliterator on Dec 15th 2018 at 7:41:31 AM

You mean when he hold Wanda and said "try to see what is my head"?.

Because aside of make me start the whole "Wanda is guilty" theme we repeat every now and them, it was the first time(and so far, only time) we ACTUALLY see Banner, which it made sense considering messing with is head is kind of a big no for him.

But again I will said Wheedon chararterization is quite diferent from others in general, in Avenger and AOU he seen a well off guy who is annoying as some thing or the other, in Ragnarok he is....I dont really what he is and by Infinity war he is the funny guy, maybe because Thor cant be in this movie(which is fine by me, Thor really needed a dark, serious moment for once).

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

I was thinking more towards this quote he said to Wanda: "I could choke the life out of you without changing a shade."

No, Whedon's characterization was never that he was a "well off guy who is annoying." Whedon's characterization was always that Bruce Banner had deep anger issues, but had found a way to control that anger barring unforeseen events (getting physically injured in Avengers or mind controlled in Age of Ultron). In Ragnarok, however, he was different because he was still suffering after having been the Hulk for two years, which throws him for an enormous loop. In Infinity War, he's still suffering from having been the Hulk for two years, but also because he's deathly afraid of Thanos and now can't even become the Hulk in order to protect himself.

In any case, none of that changes his original characterization.

WHAT?!?!? I have 0 memory of this; wtf?!?! Jesus Christ, Whedon.

First of all, a hero threatening to choke a female character is Extra Gross because strangulation is typically associated with domestic abusers. No joke, strangulation is one of the major warning signs that a man will escalate to killing his partner.

PLUS it doesn’t help that Hulk ALSO tried to kill Black Widow in Avengers, only for Ao U to go for the beauty and the beast thing.

God I hate hate hate that movie.

Edited by wisewillow on Dec 15th 2018 at 1:19:32 PM

He even manages to grab her in the ensuing fight.

And then suddenly Vision shows up and everybody's fine with each other.

Age of Ultron... was messed up.

Did you forget that Wanda mind-controlled Bruce into becoming the Hulk and going on a rampage in Johannesburg? I mean, with the others, she made them have nightmares, but for him, she literally unleashed his worse nightmare. There's probably a good reason why we never see them interact during Infinity War.

As for his relationship with Black Widow — it was never a "Beauty and the Beast" thing, it was a "Both Bruce and Natasha consider themselves monsters and in the first Avengers movie, she was the one to ask him to join, even though she was afraid of his other self."

Wanda isn't his partner, though, so that doesn't make any sense. Strangulation may be associated with domestic abusers, but it's also associated, in general, with just plain violence.

Edited by alliterator on Dec 15th 2018 at 11:05:22 AM