Marvel Cinematic Universe

Ok, so I know I'm late to the party, but I only watched the 2nd Cap Marvel trailer now, so sue.

My general impressions are as follows:

• Granny getting up and fighting like a Matrix character is simultaneously hilarious and awesome, and she is already my favorite character from the movie;

• It's pretty clear to me that Marvel is just as indoctrinated as the rest of the Kree population about the whole war thing (they're equally bastards in the comics AFAIK), and the Skrulls will only be the initial threat, the real villains will be the Kree, and that'll happen when she finds out just how much they have manipulated her;

• Frankly, the way she said "I'm gonna end it" is really lame, but the trailer redeems itself thanks to that epic shot of her blasting an entire armada of alien ship while in Super Saiyan Mode;

• I have lived to see Samuel L. Jackson going all mushy over a kitty;

All in all, nice trailer.

Edited by HailMuffins on Dec 8th 2018 at 3:23:31 PM

Actually, I like that it didn’t use the Avengers theme - personally I think the movie itself shouldn’t use it, or at least not in full, until the height of the climax. Save that goodness for one hell of a money shot.

Maybe you are right…

Do you think that they will use the "assemble" literally? Meaning Cap screaming "Avengers assemble" at one point and they all dust themselves together?

I don't know that I'd be able to watch such a scene with a straight face.

I'm picturing the avengers assembling into a giant robot when I read that line,anyone else?

We're probably going to have a bit where literally all the heroes currently in the MCU line up and charge Thanos together, prefaced by someone (probably Cap) saying "Avengers Assemble!" and with the Avengers theme blaring like the horns of heaven.

Something like this,◊ but bigger.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 8th 2018 at 10:13:35 AM

Thats exactly what i was thinking.

Yeah, no. Some lines from the comics can never be taken seriously when spoken out loud, and that is definitely one of those.

... because?

Earth's Mightiest Heroes had someone say it at least every other episode, and that went fine. The line's versatility helps (it can be used as either a battle cry, a command, or a call for aid while still remaining identifiable).

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 8th 2018 at 10:27:07 AM

Well, I at least want to hear "Avengers assemble" at one point.

As do I. Even though I don't hate Whedon as so many have come to, his interest in trolling people by not saying Avengers Assemble was kinda annoying. It's basically the only thing missing from the movies.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Dec 8th 2018 at 2:47:02 AM

I always saw that as one of those misguided attempts to milk hype (kind of like hiding the title of Avengers 4). The comics portion of the fanbase is small enough that trolling the audience by not saying the line just leaves everyone confused.

I remember more of than a few reactions, and even a few "this bit from Age of Ultron explained" videos, dealing with people legit assuming there was an editing problem and the movie ended mid-line.

Meanwhile, I don't think comics fans were so clamoring for it that making jokes out of not saying it made a lot of sense when directed at them either.

Either put the line in or don't. While I'd prefer it show up against once, given how iconic it is, making jokes about not doing it just pointless.

Isn't "hate" a bit of a strong word for one bad movie?

A lot of it comes down to timing. In the time after the first Avengers came out, audiences have become more critical of certain trends in media that Whedon frequently employed which were once Fair for Its Day, but the fact that he continues to use them despite loudly proclaiming himself to be a progressive left a bad taste in people's mouths. As well as the movie raising the hackles of the notoriously shipping-obsessed MCU fanbase and busting many headcanons, even before the accusations of infidelity came out.

I remember one reviewer jokingly suggested that the reason Avengers: Age of Ultron cut-off the "Avengers, Assemble" line was because Chris Evans kept flubbing the line and that was the best they could salvage.

Personally, while it's not going to break the movie for me, they probably should include the line. After teasing something like that, you don't just ignore it. It's kind of like how Age of Ultron teased that Cap might lift Mjolnir one day, only for Thor: Ragnarok to throw that idea out the window by having it get destroyed. Now we're never going to see Steve wield Mjolnir in the films, unless they have time travel shenanigans.

I also wonder if Whedon planned to include a scene like that in Infinity War had he decided to stay on as director. I feel like he had different ideas of where to take the story and probably would've kept it restrained to one film. Not to say the film would've been better or worse under his watch, but I think it would've been a very different experience.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Dec 8th 2018 at 2:17:33 PM

Age of Ultron is a flawed movie, but I wouldn't call it a bad movie. I genuinely enjoy the "lift the hammer scene", Vision's role and the Farm scene.

But then, I also like Ultron as a villain. My main annoyance with it is that it feels overstuffed.

Honestly, I feel it’s too late for the “Avengers Assemble” line. They’ve gone so long without the line, it would be awkward if it were said now.

I'm just spelling what I feel it's the general consensus, honestly.

I like Ao U, actually, far better than the first one (which I think it's trash), I just feel a lot of the backwash Whedon had from that movie was rather overblown.

Not that I expect any sanity or common decency from shippers, really, but still.

I don't think that the Backlash against Ao U had anything to do with "shipping" in the usual sense.

New Captain Marvel poster.

Considering how much of the backwash against the movie was centered around the break-up of the "Black Hawk" (named by myself), I'll have to disagree.

While I agree that the romance between Natasha and Bruce was poorly developed, I've seen a lot, and I do mean a lot of hatred directed towards Clinton's family, little of which was actually about how much the whole segment essentially pulls the brakes on the pacing.

It died down as time passed, but it was quite prevalent back during release.

Edited by HailMuffins on Dec 8th 2018 at 5:05:11 PM

Clintasha never was THAT big of a thing in the fandom. The backlash against the romance was more about the very unfortunate "monster" scene and about the little fact that the last time we saw those two characters the Hulk nearly killed Natasha. Going from that to "I am so in love with the guy who is nearly old enough to be my father and can't have sex ever that I'll just leave my team behind me and give up being an Avenger" is a little bit much.

Well, it's about what I meant when I said it was poorly developed.

Personally, I dig, and I do think it makes sense when viewed from a different angle: Natasha never really had a chance of just living a "normal live", but nobody "normal" would be really capable of connecting with her. Bruce knows what it's like to have blood on your hands while also being her one chance at normalcy.

Could work really well, but as I said, Whedon definitely let the ball drop on that one.

There’s a general consensus against saying Avengers Assemble?

I don’t believe that.

Whedon isn't really that good in writing romance. He gets the teenage romance, but Natasha is to jaded for that one.