Rename: The Mario

I feel Jack of All Stats is better than Balanced Stats at the very least. The jack of all trades is supposed to be kinda good at a lot of things, but not TOO good. Balanced stats can be either balanced low or balanced high.

Would this be a place to propose a replacement of the page picture for The Mario? I have an idea for a much better image; one that actually compares/contrasts such a balanced character with other characters.

Shouldn't you go to Image Pickin for that?

The Image Picking subforum is the place for that.

edited 8th Aug '11 8:57:24 PM by MetaFour

Why are there two crowners for a rename? Page Action and Single Prop; they have opposite results

One is new. One is old.

Jack of All Stats is bordering on Yet Another Stupid Snowclone territory, but as long as we only have the two, and the other one is the well-known, common phrase, I suppose it's livable.

But ALL of the misuse on this trope is coming from it being misused for Jack of All Trades. How is a name that makes it sound more like Jack of All Trades going to fix that?

Two reasons: A) The Mario is ambiguous, while Jack of All Stats is fairly clear that it's about stats. B) We'll actually have a Jack of All Trades trope soon to take the heat off this one. I had a third reason, but it slipped my mind.

I'm not a fan of Jack of All Stats; I just think it's probably something we can live with.

edit: Oh, third reason: Jack of All Stats is an unusual enough name that people are less likely to use it by mistake. (If anything, I expect to see Jack of All Trades misused for Jack of All Stats, and I'd expect to see that no matter what we call this.)

edited 9th Aug '11 8:56:04 AM by Xtifr

They're only one word off and they aren't very clear. We generally want to rename away from the abuse because anytime we've renamed towards it we've ended up with a huge mess and needed to rename it again.

If we go with this name, it's going to be back in the TRS again within a year with huge misuse numbers again for the exact same thing.

edited 9th Aug '11 9:01:25 AM by shimaspawn

Hmm, I understand the concern, and even find it plausible, but I'm just not as convinced it's a certainty. Still, Jack of All Stats is a lame snowclone, so if you can persuade people to change their votes, you have my support.

All the misuse really started after we added it as a redirect. How exactly is it going to fix the misuse it caused?

Can we finish up and just rename the trope already? There's a 6.50:1 ratio in favor of one particular choice. All the rest are negative. Doesn't matter how much debating it is, that's a clear-cut winner right there.

Actually, the rename crowner needs to be addressed - it isn't actually closed yet, and it hasn't hit the 2:1 ratio required.

I think the action is clear if said crowner is conclusively for a rename, but issues are still outstanding before we get to that point (particularly as it isn't clear if the number is stuck because it's no longer visible below the forum post).

^ It's at a 6.50:1 ratio. I'd say it hit the required 2:1 a long time ago.

If the chosen name is going to just end up on the TRS again later, then fine. Lets cross that bridge when we get there. Personally, I want to see this over and done with so we can move on.

edited 9th Aug '11 1:40:59 PM by DRCEQ

He means the single prop.

He is talking about this crowner, and I totally agree with him.

I'm not saying you should drop your case altogether, but ignoring repeated mod-voiced declarations that this is done is, you know, bad form.

I suggest you appeal to other mods or start a "1:2 guideline, do mods get to override it and if so when?" thread in the wiki talk forum with a link to this one.

What data are you basing that first sentence on? Even if it is true, correlation does not imply causation.

edited 9th Aug '11 2:02:41 PM by TripleElation

I'm not arguing anything, though. I'm upset about it, but I accept the fact that it's going to be renamed.

Give it up already. Even though in its current state is much more likely to only attract no votes as people who would vote yes think the issue is settled, it's still got the same ratio it had before plus a number of votes on both sides.

So start switching to Jack of All Stats now?

Yes, please.

I should have been more clear - I do mean the single-issue crowner on whether or not a rename is necessary.

So far as I can tell, said single-issue crowner was either not closed properly or was improperly replaced with the alternate names crowner.

Putting aside the issue of whether or not a rename should go through, something seems fishy, and I personally wouldn't want to take any action regarding any crowner until it was sorted out.

It has been sorted out. The decision was that there is no good reason for keeping the trope apart from fear of change, more or less, while there were a ton of reasons for changing it. Thus, the guidelines were put aside but the crowner was left open in case it got a surge of no votes. It didn't. Putting the guidelines aside was also influenced by the fact that the Yes side of the crowner was steadily gaining in votes moving from a 1.1:1 ratio to a 1.55ish:1 ratio the next evening.

Like I said, I've already given up, but I think I have a right to voice my discomfort.

Plus I don't care anymore if it's rename to Jack of All Stats, The Balanced One or The Character Weapon Or Vehicle Whose Stats Are All Around 60 To 70 Percent Of The Highest Possible Value.