DEATH BATTLE

"Yeah, Joker does not have actual resistance to reality warping, despite what VBW would like you to think. Heck, the end of Persona 5 Royal even supports this, with Susceptible to Maruki’s reality warping, like how in the final battle with him he says you can’t use a certain type of attack. If you try, he just makes it not happen, funny enough in a way sorta similar to GER." Not really. He is just changing the laws within his palace. You never actually do any attacks he just makes it so for you to not use certain attacks. If you try, you will just be told it would not work and to use a different move

For what it's worth, I'd totally give Joker the Omnipotent Orb in a fight with the caveat that everyone should remember having a similar item didn't help Goku Black all that much.

"Are "Almighty" skills resisted to Time attacks? Like, let's say you reverse time and prevent the Almighty Skill from happening, would it work?" Time attacks are a non factor as Joker is able to fight shadows who distort space and time by their presence. Reason why Joker was affected by Maruki's law change in his palace is because Maruki is, or was, a much, much, much stronger character and had infinitely times more control over cognition (it is the reason he was able to bring back Mementos after all), than Joker, which makes it more surprising Joker was unaffected by his change in causality, not only that, Joker managed to defeat Azathoth too despite this drawback. GER has a lot of hyperbolic claims like how he can kill Joker in a single punch due to infinite death loop, while Joker is unharmed by shadows such as Chatterskull, who can kill a person immediately if they hear him laugh... which is quite often when you fight him. Giorno also can't revert Joker to a previous persona, as swapping personas is thought based, and saying Giorno can "revert thoughts" is straight up Giorno wank, as he couldn't even stop the universal reset. I like Giorno, he is my favorite Jojo, but it is ridiculous how much people wank him and try to hype up his ability when it kind of ruins the point of the franchise that no one is invincible. Not saying Joker is invincible either but just a single casual playthrough would show he can get around GER.

I'm sorry but how exactly is Maruki changing causality? It seems less like causality manipulation and more like just straight up inventing a new reality where everyone's wishes become fulfilled. For example, yes he did change events in the past (i.e. Shiho not being raped by Kamoshida) but those events still happened in some sense. It's how Joker reminds the Phantom Thieves of their spirit of rebillion or whatever.

Regardless, it's quite clearly stated that Maruki could simply destroy the old reality and bring in the new at any time he wants. The only reason Maruki doesn't just win is because he wants the Phantom Thieves to accept his reality of their own free will (which besides Joker they had).

And even then, like with Chihaya's confidant regular people were unaffected by Maruki's wish granting. Chihaya, Takemi and Iwai all know something is wrong with the current reality Maruki has made. They just don't know what. Akechi, a construct that Maruki made to fulfill Joker's wish, is unaffected by the wish-granting nature of his Persona. (EDIT: This of course is not an attack on Maruki's own abilities. He is undoubtedly a reality warper on a planetary, if not universal scale. This point is simply meant to show that you didn't necessarily need any abilities to resist his new reality because he wants people to accept it on their own. Regardless, Joker definitely does scale to him after the final battle and that should still be enough to beat Giorno).

As for Chatterskull, no. Chatterskull doesn't even show up in Persona 5 so that's not a feat for Joker. Secondly, Chatterskull has three pieces of flavor text; two say that the target is doomed to die a bone-chilling death (which could mean at any point in time) and only one says that their hearts will stop immediately. Thirdly this is obviously just flavor text and nothing more. It's like taking the "Kirby has infinite power" statement at face value or saying the player character in pokemon has a resistance to soul-hax because their souls aren't stolen when looking at Shedinja's hole. Fourthly Joker can be one-hit killed by instant-kill moves. Yeah, he can equip a persona that nullifies holy and demonic magic but he still needs that specific persona equipped to survive being hit by those attacks.

I agree with you that Joker should win. I don't think just because a character has one BS ability that is extremely ill-defined, they should win the matchup but you are doing the same Fan Wank towards Joker that you are accusing Giorno stans of.

Edited by SavageSamurai on May 16th 2022 at 2:29:14 AM

There're two things we know for sure about the next fight, a huge asshole is about to get what's coming to him, and there will most likely be tons of collateral damage and death since they clearly don't care about who gets hurt or killed in their fights.

Can't GER also revert their opponent's will to fight to zero? Isn't that the thing that let's Joker use personas in the first place?

Edited by Zeromaeus on May 15th 2022 at 11:50:46 AM

GER doing that's actually baseless. Diavolo could still summon his stand in critical condition even in spite of Giorno giving him an ass-whooping. Plus stands are a manifestation of fighting spirit so if Giorno could do reset will-power to zero then why didn't he make it so that Diavolo didn't have any fighting spirit and thus not be able to summon his stand?

Aside from who would win between Joker and Giorno, in the event that the show does the matchup and Joker won, what kind of reaction do you think would occur from the internet?

I’d imagine it being summed up as Ben 10 vs Green Lantern 2

Edited by MisterZygarde64 on May 15th 2022 at 6:42:55 AM

Naomi Mc Duffie from DC Comics vs America Chavez from Marvel.

Edited by FOFD on May 16th 2022 at 8:49:16 AM

Thats a good match-up but it would need to take a while as it would be a massive curb-stomp in Chavez's favor due to Naomi only being around for less than 5 years now.

So the character has little feats, experience, or even knowledgeable usage of her powers.

Meanwhile Chavez has plenty with her highest feats are in Ultimates where she scales to the likes of Blue Marvel, Monica Rambeau, and Carol Danvers who are all heavy weight energy gods. So she can hit hard as hell and fast too, as well as using her dimensional travel powers in creative ways.

A funny moment is the start of Ultimates when Monica goes into pure energy moment so she's moving at lightspeed but is shocked that America is actually keeping up with her, noting that should be impossible. Chavez then gives her a smug smile leaving Monica to think "God I'm getting old."

3Ain't that what he basically did? Everything Diavolo did up until that point was to make sure his Epitaph came to be, and it was to kill Giorno, only problem is GER stopped it, despite those scenarios always happening 100%. GER was just doing it over and over again.

(2) I've been hearing Naomi throws down with Superman baddies like Solomon Grundy and Cyborg Superman.

Get me pictures of Omni-Man.

Slightly off-topic, but as much as that CGI-covered mustache is memed on... for the life of me, I can't see anything off in that image. Like, if I hadn't known about it, I would not have noticed, and even if I squint and specifically look, I still don't notice it. I must be going blind or something.

I didn't really keep track, so I only became aware of it after I was done with the movie.

But it's the DCEU. People love finding everything they can about it so they can snark and make more jokes.

Like, I'm not defending it, but I've said it before, and I'll say it again: at some point, it becomes more about finding more reasons to dunk on something that's considered an acceptable target than it is really criticizing something for being bad.

Or at least that's how I see it.

2Not really. It's like when people see flaws in a game or movie and make it a big deal, and the average person says "It was a fun time". If you look for flaws, you'll find them, if you look for a good time, you'll find it.

Lawl the CGI de-moustaching is quite visible IMHO although part of it is also video quality; unless you're watching the movie in proper HD you probably can't catch it.

... Although I guess Rooster Teeth making fun of it counts as Biting-the-Hand Humor.

I honestly think some people are just more sensitive to CGI than others. To some people, digitally-resurrected Grand Moff Tarkin looked like a seamless recreation of Peter Cushing, and to others he was a jittery digital sockpuppet from the deepest depths of the Uncanny Valley.

I, personally, can't see the CGI moustache removal. But I've heard people swear up and down that it's extremely visible and highly jarring.

I honestly think it's biological. I think some people just have a more sensitive eye for digital fakery.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 16th 2022 at 12:25:42 PM

I feel like Meta Knight is one of those characters that will eventually get an episode done for him. But I think the problem is finding him a proper opponent.

i wouldn't be shocked if a lot of people can see it because they're used to seeing where CGI is used. the difference between CGI and practical effects is absolutely noticeable, and it's why films like Jurassic Park have aged incredibly well visually despite being made... 30 years ago christ.

and, on the flip side, you can always tell when an actor is petting/interacting with a CGI animal, always. i've never seen it done realistically enough that i have to question it.

in a more modern example, part of the reason that the Sonic movies genuinely look amazing is because they used practical effects whenever they could. between sonic's cave, the sonic quill, the sonic ball, sonic feels alive in the world even when he's not being directly animated in it.

whereas, even in Marvel films, there's always stuff that feels fake, because almost all of it is fake. now, i'll begrudgingly admit that the MCU manages to pull it off as they've turned it into a style that the movies exist in, so it doesn't feel out of place even when you know it's CGI.

(2)

Shovel Knight. Easy money. Next.

I got a headache inducing match for you. Yhwach (Bleach) vs Hao (Shaman King).

and I've seen many suggest Zero to return as an opponent for Meta Knight. If it does happen, I'm hoping it'd be better than when One Minute Melee did the matchup dirty. *shudders*

Edited by MisterZygarde64 on May 16th 2022 at 2:28:33 AM

Meta Knight's tough to find a good fit for, since he's an eclectic mix of Stealth Mentor and Blood Knight. And once you get past that... you also have to deal with the usual Kirby series powerscaling, given that Meta Knight bested the character that's said In-Universe to be the strongest in the setting.

Zero might just be the best fit since he fits the "video game rival you're meant to idealize then surpass in strength" role and he has the hax to make up for the power disparity, but... I'm genuinely unsure outside of that.

I still want Meta Knight to fight Kamen Rider Wing Knight because if we had a live-action Meta Knight for some reason he'd just be Wing Knight on all fronts.

"Oh but Wing Knight gets stomped" look they're throwing out that Thor can punch eighteen bazillion universes into dust or something numbers are a joke.

BTW, I don't keep up with the Death Battle Cast, just skip here and there, but have they stopped doing post fights Q&A, If so, how long has it been, and if it extends to season 7...

Jesus christ am I slow.