DEATH BATTLE

God
damn I've been waiting, like, six years for them to do this fight and it was well worth the wait

I think my favorite moment was when Ganondorf threw Drac into the air and shot some lightning balls at him, then Dracula just stopped flying backwards, held his hand out and stopped the lightning, then started doing finger guns to shoot them back. They did a good job of having Dracula be very casual about the whole affair, at least until the transformations kicked in.

Some of the rationale for Dracula winning seems weird, I don't think "draws power from an eldritch dimension" is necessarily a 1:1 comparison to "maybe possibly has the power of creating a continent" but then again pulling feats for these two is kinda weird anyways, since they do a lot more sitting around than they do actual fighting. Still, their baseline reasoning of "Demonic Megiddo is a bit more impressive than swinging a sword and also soul stealing" is what a lot of people leaned into anyways so the weird number stuff I'll let slide.

Re:Next time: I'm skipping this fight since I still need to watch/read Mob Psycho 100, and I'll probably clock out of the thread for a while since I can't imagine talking about the fight isn't going to be a bit spoiler-filled. Y'all have fun!

That was a pretty satisfying Death Battle. That note about Demonic Megiddo being holy magic really cinched it, and was a clever catch.

That being said, it's not entirely accurate that Ganon's never dealt with soul manipulation before. He has. He just didn't win, which is another point in Drac's favor.

In Link Between Worlds, the sorcerer Yuga resurrects Ganon in order to fuse with him and claim his power. Despite audience expectations of Hijacked by Ganon, the trope literally named for Ganon, this goes off without a hitch. Yuga possesses Ganon's body, takes his power, and at no point does Ganon manage to throw off his control. Ganon is reduced to Yuga's meat puppet for the duration of the game.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 16th 2019 at 11:44:03 AM

Not just Holy magic, but being completely on a much higher level in everything else did, too.

I think this is the best 3D fight they made, in terms of visuals and choreography.

I also want to note that the fact that the fight didn't conclude with the Demonic Megiddo is interesting, and brings up a somewhat obscure but fascinating bit of Zelda lore.

Here's the thing about Ganondorf. Ganondorf is the bearer of the Triforce of Power. Ganondorf is also the reincarnation of Demise's Hatred. These two things have literally nothing to do with each other. Skyward Sword invented Demise and Hylia as redundant pieces of lore to justify Ganon and Zeda's specialness, despite the Triforce already justifying Ganon and Zelda's specialness. Demise and Hylia are what happens when writers are more concerned about MOAR LORE and WORLDBUILDING than creating a cohesive story.

The thing that offers Ganondorf his immortality isn't Demise. It's the Triforce of Power. And the Triforce of Power is a fickle thing. It has been known to abandon Ganon from time to time for getting wrecked too hard.

In the original Legend of Zelda, the Triforce of Power pops off of Ganon's corpse after he's defeated with Silver Arrows. But that could be considered Early-Installment Weirdness, except for the fact that it happens again.

In Twilight Princess, Link impales Ganondorf on the Master Sword. This does not kill him. Ganondorf manages to rise to his feet and swear bloody curses at Link and Zelda with the sword still embedded in his sternum. But apparently getting shitstomped the way he just did is still enough for Din to call the game, because the Triforce of Power abandons him mid-rant and leaves him to die.

It's not 100% clear on what actually kills him. The game cuts to some sort of psychic necksnap version of The Dog Bites Back from his patsy, Zant. But it's not a holy attack; it's his own evil minion that delivers the final blow. He can do that 'cause the Triforce isn't there to make Ganondorf unkillable anymore.

So that's an obscure but interesting precedent for how this Death Battle ended. Demonic Megiddo didn't kill Ganon, but it still hit him with enough holy magic for Din to ragequit the fight, take her ball, and go home. After that, Ganondorf was totally susceptible to being ripped in half by mundane brute force.

It would have been very easy to just call the fight at Demonic Megiddo, but they went for a more stylish finish that still satisfies the lore behind the characters.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 16th 2019 at 12:05:50 PM

Well that was a fun fight.

Re: next fight: Has Mob killed Godzilla? Because I think Tatsumaki has. By summoning a meteor. Apparently due to an misinterpretation.

How does Hylia fit in with the three golden goddesses anyway? Not at all in any way?

Edited by Bocaj on Oct 16th 2019 at 2:09:55 PM

Next fight should be interesting. It's One Punch Man, but it's not the titular One Punch Man himself, so I don't expect there'll be too much salt thrown around. It's only Saitama himself who's claimed to have a power level of infinity and be able to obliterate any foe in a single punch. Everyone else in his story is supposed to have actual limits and be calculable like any other anime character.

Hylia is possibly one of them, if not their progenitor.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Oct 16th 2019 at 2:12:42 PM

She's basically their gofer. After the three goddesses made the world, they left Hylia behind to safeguard the Triforce. But she's terrible at her job and f*cked it all up instantly. Demise took over the world with little difficulty and Hylia had to evacuate the humans up into the f*cking sky to avoid everyone being slaughtered.

Demise was eventually defeated, but he beat Hylia's ass so badly in the process that she had to quit divinity entirely and become the ever-reincarnating Princess Zelda. Thus began Hylia's long and prosperous career of being constantly curbstomped and taken captive by every bad guy ever to set foot in the nation of Hyrule, only some of whom are Demise's reincarnation Ganon.

Hylia is the shittiest deity ever. She's, like, the intern of Hyrule's creator gods.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 16th 2019 at 12:15:56 PM

Which game is Soma Cruz in?

Aria of Sorrow and Dawn of Sorrow. In that order.

They're great. Check them out if you can.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 16th 2019 at 12:16:30 PM

That's frankly amazing. In a sad, not entirely good way.

About Yoda VS Oogway, I think Yoda would kill him but then his spirit would kick his ass eight ways to Sunday.

In Hylia's defense, she did forge the Master Sword apparently. Which has proven to be a very useful and capable weapon in the hands of anyone that isn't Hylia.

Well one success out of many failures is something. But I continue to think that maybe Skyward Sword's additions to the setting were probably bad and attempted to wrap up everything too pat.

Shoutouts to Portrait of Ruin for providing a durability calc.

I know some people are gonna be bothered by some of the feats mostly the meteor and laser dodging feats.

Either way result remains correct due to how many ways one can mess with the other.

Mmmmm. MMMMM. Gotta say that's probably in my Top 5 fights overall for Death Battle. Not just for how well choreographed it was, but also for the great music and the Catharsis Factor of Bowser getting avenged. Seriously I had to tell myself a couple times throughout that battle that I was listening an original song and not something straight out of Castlevania.

How did they summon a meteor without pulping the roof of the castle? And then survive the meteor?

People need to stop casting Meteo until we can suss this out.

In terms of feat calc, my biggest concern is one that actually has nothing to do with this fight!

During the breakdown, while trying to hype up Ganondorf, they casually pegged Link as FTL because of his ability to pace circles around Beamos. Which. Uh. Has some issues.

First, because Beamos isn't explicitly firing a laser. He's firing a beam. It's in the name. Beamos. Beams in media aren't always lasers. The Kamehameha is not a laser. Mega Man's pew pew arm cannon is not a laser. Star Wars blasters are not lasers.

But second, because Link isn't outrunning Beamos's laser. He's outrunning Beamos's ability to turn its head.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 16th 2019 at 1:32:38 PM

They did cite a resource for Beamos beams being lasers so that's founded at least, but yeah that might of been some of the most sus scaling the show's done in a while.

I'll let it slide though since they were probably trying to highball Ganondorf as much as possible for the sake of argument, since otherwise the speed gap would of been so large that the fight analysis wouldn't be interesting at all.

Techincally the example shown shows Link rolling away from Beamos' beam rather than dodging it to the side.

Except that the Beamos clearly has some amount of wake up time to notice Link and warm up its beam to aim specifically at the spot where it first notices Link. Even if all of that takes only half a second, that's more then enough time to make Link clearly not FTL.

They said he isn't, he's only 11% the speed of Light, more Relativistic then Light Speed.

I pretty much feel that no fiction lasers should be considered lightspeed unless they work exactly like science lasers.