DEATH BATTLE

And the researchers are also in favor of planet-level YYH so...

Actually, none of them were, apparently, and it's for Yusuke and above. Hiei being his equal in that arc has also been contested due to Hiei getting curbstomped by Mukuro's much weaker right hand man, while Yomi almost lost against Yusuke

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Sep 23rd 2019 at 3:41:03 PM

Where would I be if I didn’t have you Bocaj?

Like I said, this is bittersweet for me. They may be highballing YYH just to give Sasuke the loss.

I’d rather have him win fairly than lose unfairly because now it implies Hiei can’t do it himself and that’s not right.

Why isn’t the damn thing working? You’re standing on top of it!

Better luck next time.

Eh, I’m already setting up one in another forum. You won’t miss it.

Anywho, my familiarity with Dracula starts and stops with Symphony of the Night, the Netflix series (which is an alternate canon), and technically Aria of Sorrow. What are some of his best feats from there?

I know Ganondorf's got surviving a whole castle collapsing on top of him to his name, and he's also killed a Link in one timeline.

Bonus question: who could sit in their throne the longest without needing to get up and stretch?

Still waiting on Death Battle to broach the classic, volatile nerd battle of the ages, and pit a capital ship from Star Trek against a capital ship from Star Wars.

I don't think there any ships in Star Wars with enough cinematic material to fit the research portion of a Death Battle episode.

Well, at least from the films. I guess you have TCW and Rebels to look at but even then... what ship would you use?

Probably something like the Executor (Vader’s Super Star Destroyer), since it’s both gotten a lot of use in peripheral material, and some feats from regular Star Destroyers can be applied to it as well. Or a Mon Cala if one wants as a hero ship, but when it comes to ship content the Empire’s ships have gotten more play.

From Star Trek, either the Enterprise or an explicit big gun like the Sovereign.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 23rd 2019 at 6:14:51 AM

Death Battle rules are "Unless specified, all official material related to a character is applied unless found contradictory to the primary source material".

Edited by Moth13 on Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:24:34 AM

I finally got around to watching the episode, and I have to say their pronunciation of Japanese words is killing me.

Also like how the fight ended. Oh Sasuke got cut a little! He must've won! Oh wait, he got cut a lot.

Well, I can't say I'm surprised by the latest Death Battle, because it kind of illustrates something I suspected from their handling of Jiraiya vs. Roshi: on the most basic level, the DB crew does not understand the mechanics of genjutsu, and just how stupidly broken it is.

Genjutsu is neither a mental attack or an illusion. It's basically short-circuiting your opponent's chakra/ki/whatever in order to induce an extremely potent combination of muscle paralysis and hallucinations. As such, resistance to it is mainly dependent on being able to counter-manipulate your own chakra/ki/whatever. Standard "see through illusions" stuff would have no effect, and mental fortitude will only take you so far against a sufficiently powerful genjustu.

Furthermore, if you pay attention to a lot of the Naruto fights involving genjustu, the only times where it doesn't get handicapped or just shrugged off are the fights where the main genjutsu user is meant to completely and totally curb stomp their opponents. It is such a story breaker power than Kishimoto had to rig against it time and time again throughout Naruto's run, even with it being established that knowledge of how to counter it is fairly common in the Naruto-verse.

To be fair, genjutsu was not played up that much in the context of the Naruto universe, so it makes sense that the DB crew with understate its potency. But in the context of Death Battle, genjutsu is a definitive "I win" button against the vast majority of opponents, including those who normally shrug off standard illusions and mental attacks...because genjutsu is not mechanically "standard". The only reason it didn't give a huge edge to Jiraiya is that Jiraiya's specific genjutsu had a list of requirements, including "cast time" to use it. Sasuke's has just one (eye contact), and thus he should win most match-ups accordingly. Including this one. Hiei should have never had a chance.

Edited by TotemicHero on Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:22:02 AM

I would assume Hiei has pretty good control of his own Ki. If this wiki is accurate, Energy manipulation is a power the Jagan grants.

That being said, I can't fairly judge until I see the video myself, and even I forgot how exactly Genjutsu works.

Most shonen have people good at series specific energy manipulation so

Due to the Kaguya retcon chakra is something not inherent in human beings but comes from a god tree, so only people in the naruto universe has it. Genjutsu specifically targets chakra and not the nervous systems, as demonstrated by genjutsu being broken by another person interfering with the victims chakra, so basically it should be useless towards anybody else.

Yeah Naruto basically pulled a Dragon Ball in its final chapters.

Holy shit so the fucking Tsukuyomi & Iza-shit derivative is Goddamn useless.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 23rd 2019 at 8:23:10 AM

Oh right, Naruto is about battling moon people now.

Inter-dimensional moon people.

The rabbit-clan are from a completely different universe.

Keep in mind they already established that they still treat chakra as equivalent to other forms of spirit energy in Naruto vs. Ichigo. But I suppose that if I'm pushing for them to be accurate, I need to be fair and concede this means genjutsu should be invalidated for Death Battle.

Edited by TotemicHero on Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:56:59 AM

Man, they referenced the Filipino Yu Yu Hakusho dub, thought that was cool.

I don't think Genjutsu has ever once won a fight in the entire franchise history of Naruto.

It's repeatedly and consistently beaten through mental trickery, willpower and magical counters.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:01:47 AM

Well there was Itachi using Izanami on Kabuto.

Seriously, is no one going to spoiler tag their reactions to the fight?

It’s pretty damn easy to figure out the winner from all the un-spoilered comments here, ya know?