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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
So, what will we do then, if people take the Democrats averting a shutdown without securing DACA protections as a loss? What if the DACA vote next week ends in defeat for the Democrats and seriously hurts their chances at the mid-terms?
I'm sick of relying on the Democratic party as a way to resist Trump, especially since what little power they have in Washington is so unstable. There must be something we can do on the ground. Perhaps its time for a new civil disobedience campaigns to deal with the problems of the current administration. Maybe a good start would be to create a system in Dreamers in danger of being deported can be sheltered by sympathetic liberals.
The midterms aren't here yet but when they do arrive there is the real possibility for things to get much worse for the Republicans and much better for the Democrats.
edited 9th Feb '18 10:14:58 AM by Fourthspartan56
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Would that it were so simple.
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Any organized attempt to subvert ICE at the ground level will be found out and undone because such an effort will be surveiled on the Internet. Without local and state support, sheltering illegal immigrants is dangerous — the offender can be fined, jailed, or have their house seized if they're stashing Dreamers in their basement. Let's not suggest something like that lightly until you really know what you're talking about.
@Ludlow, the only way to allow the Democrats to more effectively resist Trump is to elect more of them this November. They've done pretty well for an opposition party, but in a simple majority rules system, they can only do so much when the enemy has more votes.
In parade news, the former Navy SEAL who claims to have shot Bin Laden called the idea "Third World bullshit".
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/09/politics/navy-seal-bin-laden-shooter-trump-military-parade/index.html
Clearly the words of a treasonous communist, right?
edited 9th Feb '18 10:23:10 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
I still would like a military parade every Fourth of July, but yes I agree that Trump's military parade idea and desire is self-aggrandizing nonsense.
edited 9th Feb '18 10:26:35 AM by Fourthspartan56
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Oh, bother.
Worth noting that this isn't just a Third-World thing. This was partly inspired by Trump's visit to France on Bastille Day.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Does the US Military even practice parade drill right now?
"Yup. That tasted purple."
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You know, the Navy can put on a great ship parade for Trump. Sail a couple of carriers, destroyers, and subs on by. He should have no problem walking out on the water to get a nice close-up view.
[edit] I can't speak for the other branches, but Navy barely practices that shit in boot camp, and unless you're in the Navy Band or honor guard, never after it. Because it's stupid.
edited 9th Feb '18 10:34:20 AM by BlueNinja0
That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
x4 Excuse me?
If no-one wants to do it then they can be properly incentivized via some kind of reward to overcome their objection.
You seriously want a military parade? On the 4th of July?
It does seem thematically appropriate. I think you'll need to be more specific about your objection here.
Oh, bother.
Probably has something to do with the heat. It is in summer, after all.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Exactly this.
edited 9th Feb '18 10:43:42 AM by Fourthspartan56
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Ahr river
I am not a fan of anything that glorifies the military period. Showcasing that type of thing as something to take deep pride in is something I find unsettling and misses the point of why a military has to exist at all.
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Maybe, but I'm reading it as something more ideological, such as . Either way clarification is needed.
edited 9th Feb '18 10:47:39 AM by sgamer82
Because it's a military parade, that's why. It's a show of both strength and blind patriotism, and reeks of a dictatorship. And having one on such a patriotic holiday as the 4th of July also stinks of nationalism and jingoism.
Also this.
edited 9th Feb '18 10:50:13 AM by kkhohoho
Oh, bother.
I kind of wonder what the French tropers would think about this, given that it was their Bastille Day celebration that partly inspired this train of thought.
Disgusted, but not surprised
If you have to them, save them for victories, or have them on holidays set to honor previous losses (Veterans Day, Remembrance Day, V-E Day, etc).
edited 9th Feb '18 10:51:12 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
As M84 pointed out France has military parades and it's not like they're a dictatorship.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Ahr river
Even then I wouldn't make them military parades. Veteran parades are an alternative and do have a reason to celebrate, although even then I'd find it slightly distasteful in the current climate (but there are other hypothetical climates I think it could do well in
I'm sorry but I don't see any reason to glorify what the military has done. Even if our military was purely altruistic I would find a parade distasteful, and the current state of our military is something I find extremely abhorrent. To celebrate it is to be complicit in the mass of imperialism that it's committed over the generations
There's nothing wrong with showing strength, but if that's what you're glorifying then yes I find that unsettling because it implies a sort of might makes right that I don't see anyone being able to depict with appropriate nuance.
Also I don't live in France and don't have an intricate knowledge of France's history and politics. Therefore I will not comment on their parades, but I'm not inclined to look at that and go " oh that makes it ok"
edited 9th Feb '18 10:56:40 AM by MrAHR
Read my stories!
Look at how many Guardsmen drop during a typical Trooping the Colour. And those are guys who are trained in parade drill specifically on top of their operational duties.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Trump announced that he will be releasing the Democratic counter memo soon. No word on any redactions or edits.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/09/politics/shutdown-latest/index.html
He also sorta defended Rob Porter and expressed zero sympathy for the victims, because of course Trump has sympathy for a repeat spousal abuser.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
x4 A military should only exsist as a means to defend our nation and nothing more. Even then, war is a messy business. You glorify the military, you risk glorifing war. And having a military parade only further escalates this.
edited 9th Feb '18 10:58:17 AM by kkhohoho
So in other political news, Trump has put a major opponent of the IRS in charge of it, as he slashes the IRS budget and lays off workers. Anyone want to bet we'll never, ever see his tax returns? Full article text
And the great, failed experiment of Kansas has prompted not one but six teenagers to sign up to run for governor, despite the fact they're not old enough to vote for themselves. Full article text I honestly hope one of the Democrat kids wins, and undoes all the shit financial stuff the Repubs have done to ruin the state.
That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw