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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#218376: Nov 13th 2017 at 4:25:49 PM

[up]x4 Hopefully he will be in a sex offender registry after the election if he loses.

edited 13th Nov '17 4:26:06 PM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#218377: Nov 13th 2017 at 4:27:01 PM

So, a bunch of trade/constitutional lawyers got together to try and find out if Trump could cancel NAFTA unilaterally. They couldn't come to a consensus.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can-trump-cancel-nafta-alone-1.4399938

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#218378: Nov 13th 2017 at 4:30:16 PM

@Beary Scary- Off-topic, but I saw some comparisons on Twitter earlier in the week between Moore and that character, but someone noted that the character was in his mid twenties and actually went to school with some of the high schoolers he was interacting with.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#218379: Nov 13th 2017 at 4:34:16 PM

re NAFTA: Well I sure hope he can't. It'd be a disaster for all three countries

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#218380: Nov 13th 2017 at 4:49:04 PM

Not to downplay abusing minors, but I have to admit I'm genuinely surprised the opposition to Moore is picking up traction.

These are unproven claims that, as far as I know, didn't result in actual intercourse. I mean, I know I'm getting ahead of myself and it could be for naught, but I'm just (pleasantly) surprised.

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ITNW1989 a from Big Meat, USA Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#218381: Nov 13th 2017 at 4:57:15 PM

didn't result in actual intercourse

This is a suggestion, but you'll need to get rid of the idea that just because harassment/molestation doesn't end in intercourse/rape makes it any less heinous.

Hitokiri in the streets, daishouri in the sheets.
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#218382: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:01:41 PM

Donald Jr. is incriminating himself again by publishing his Email exchanges with Wikileaks.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#218383: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:03:55 PM

[up][up] Given Larkman's posting history I think it's more likely that he thought that the nature of Moore's crimes made it more unlikely for the GOP to turn against him, especially when they turned the other way for Donald.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#218384: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:04:52 PM

So there’s apparently a hairbrained scheme to do a write in campaign to replace Moore with none other then Jeff Sessions. Which would allow Trump to appoint a new AG who could pressure Muller to indict some mid level guys and call it a day ala Iran-Contra.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#218385: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:07:05 PM

[up]Devious, but as you implied, probably not going to happen.

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ITNW1989 a from Big Meat, USA Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#218386: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:07:49 PM

I'm pretty sure even with a new AG Mueller's not going to let this go. Man looks like he's more likely to run over any AG who's gonna try and impede him.

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#218387: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:08:34 PM

I feel like Muller‘s responce to such a plan (should it be attempted and work) would be to indict the new AG for obstruction of justice for trying such a move.

Also I think Sessions still wants to stay on as AG.

Plus a write in is likely to split the vote and give the Dems the seat.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#218388: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:11:53 PM

So, I wasn't really all that shocked by the Atlantic revelations, although obviously I was glad for a smoking gun. However, something did feel off when I was reading it and I found it when Newsweek states the obvious in reporting that Wikileaks urged Donald Trump Jr. to tell his father to not concede if he lost on Election Day

Basically heavily implying that Russia urged the Trump campaign to refuse to concede, which seems crazy on its own, but when you remember they had breached several voting databases among others, it implies that they wanted to get caught.

They wouldn't even need to change anything, they just need to make sure that their foot prints were found. And all of a sudden it cast doubt on the entire election and democracy as a whole.

Putin had a Plan A and a Plan B. Imagine Hillary Clinton's DOJ trying to prosecute DJT's campaign for conspiracy (which by federal law if they had evidence of they'd literally have no choice BUT to prosecute) It'd be a shitstorm of epic proportions.

Putin was going to gain something regardless of who won.

Trump wins, he actively sabotages our international relations, alienates our allies, weakens confidence in the US, and the country eats itself alive trying to root out the corruption, as he knows the GOP are spineless and will fall in line every step of the way.

Hillary wins, Trump refuses to concede, rallies his base, the legitimacy of her election is cast in doubt, and GOP obstructs her for years, even harder, and perhaps Charlottesville would've been even more dangerous.

The end result of both of these outcomes is the weakening of the United States within and without, as well as damaging confidence in western democracy. Trump winning was the optimal outcome, but it would have been a net gain no matter who won.

Played us like a goddamn fiddle.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#218389: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:17:37 PM

At this point, what can the West do to retaliate against Russia? Economic sanctions won't work when Europe won't play ball as a whole, military actions are obviously off the table, and our cyberwarfare capabilities ain't worth shit.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Zendervai Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy from St. Catharines Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy
#218390: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:18:54 PM

Honestly, I think Don Jr. might actually be dumber than Trump in some ways. Because he keeps saying things that indicate he has some degree of awareness of social norms and expectations...but then he invariably either goes against them or shows that while he knows what the norms are he has no understanding of how they work or why.

Not Three Laws compliant.
FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#218391: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:20:46 PM

Re: counter-measures against Russia.

The irony is that the Russian interference has validated those within our government whose stances on Russia would have been considered too "hardline" in the past. We are likely to see a future politicians run on campaigns of being "tough on Russia/China/any threat to our democracy!" in the way Nixon made a name for himself as a young Congressmen prosecuting for the HUAC, which in my opinion is likely to reemerge as another renamed entity.

edited 13th Nov '17 5:24:53 PM by FluffyMcChicken

AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
The law in the night
#218392: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:23:22 PM

[up][up]It is a family trait it seems.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#218393: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:26:11 PM

[up][up] Which is both incredibly irresponsible, and almost inconceivably dangerous. Of Trump, Nixon, and McCarthy, the latter of the three was (cross your fingers, but Trump seems to be too much of a clown for authoritarianism) by far the most effective threat to democratic institutions in the United States.

edited 13th Nov '17 5:32:22 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#218394: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:30:34 PM

Representative Gene Green (D-TX) will not be seeking reelection in 2018.

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FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#218395: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:35:31 PM

[up][up] At this point I think it would be prudent to label anyone working for Mueller's investigation - perhaps even Mueller himself - as a presidential hopeful. It would be the "Alger Hiss" moment many upstart politicians and government workers could only have dreamt of.

edited 13th Nov '17 5:36:34 PM by FluffyMcChicken

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Oh, bother.
#218396: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:35:59 PM

[up][up] Sucks to see a popular Democratic Rep in Texas go, but he's entitled to a break.

edited 13th Nov '17 5:36:10 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#218397: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:36:00 PM

[up][up][up]Safe D seat (D+19). So I hope he enjoys retirement.

edited 13th Nov '17 5:36:12 PM by IFwanderer

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#218398: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:43:20 PM

@Fluffy: Which isn't a good thing. Being part Chinese I'm not particularly interested in being singled out as a potential subversive, having my citizenship revoked, being sent to a concentration camp, or any of the other things the sort of intelligence community strongman you seem to be hoping for would do to people like me.

Perhaps I'm misreading you, but it sounds like you want McCarthyism to make a comeback.

edited 13th Nov '17 5:44:01 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#218399: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:45:18 PM

[up] You seem to be reading intent into a prediction of probability.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#218400: Nov 13th 2017 at 5:47:23 PM

The thing about Donald is that yes, he did get elected, but his victory in and of itself is the possible ominous precedent for the future. As far as anything he's done in office, well that's it, he's barely done anything because everything he and the GOP are proposing is terrible, unpopular, or downright undemocratic and has failed, been fought every step of the way. He still has 3 more years to go but I don't think Donald has the makings of a successful autocrat. He may have been cunning enough to get here but he doesn't seem to understand what to do now, nobody really respects him and he doesn't really understand how to play politics.

Not that it's a reason for complacency either.

edited 13th Nov '17 5:48:44 PM by Draghinazzo


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