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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Pence is going his agenda passed regardless of what Trump does, Pence's agenda is Congress's agenda. And since better would at least be better when it comes to foreign policy...I say he'd better be overall because both of them would be be dreadful domestically. Trump might not care about the LGBT community in either direction, but do you honestly think he'd spend political capital shielding them from Pence and other Republicans?
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Pretentious Git
Pence terrifies me. You could make an argument that Trump is just a generally racist crowd-pleasing parrot with no real designs on the office, but Pence has goals and those goals are scary.
Absolutely, but I'm still more comfortable with him in the Oval Office than Trump, if only because I'm not worried about him wanting to drop nukes ("Wanting," mind you. I'm aware that there are enough safeguards in place that he'd probably never actually get to do it, but the slightest chance is too much when it's in the hands of such a thin-skinned reactionary brute). It's just about the lowest bar possible, but Pence clears it and Trump doesn't, and since Pence is probably going to be doing all the actual governing whether Trump is in the office or not, I'd rather just have Pence in charge officially.
re: secession: As a Washingtonian, I'd vote against any proposal of secession. I'm committed to staying and fixing what's broken, not cutting and running. It's our duty as Americans to try and steer our country back on track.
edited 12th Nov '16 8:05:20 PM by Wryte
What matters in this life is much more than winning for ourselves. What really matters is helping others win, too. - F. Rogers.
Trump is erratic. He probably won't launch a nuke being the Premier of China insulted him, but in an actual false alarm situation....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_rocket_incident
In a situation like that I'd rather have Pence in charge.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
@Cosmicbuttmonkey: Yeah, that sort of thing is not enough to stage a war, which is what a secession would take because there's no way the US congress would let such a thing happen through civic means. The individual states do not have a standing army. And, quite frankly, we already reached a boiling point. At least twice! And we did not break up as a country during the Civil Rights movement; it's not going to happen now.
See, I understand why you're saying that, but it's not really true. Woodrow Wilson wouldn't have been re-elected without California's votes. If CA had gone to Bush in 2000, they wouldn't have bothered making a big deal out of Florida's recount.
California gets the most votes of any state. It's not talked about as an important state because it's been blue for the last twenty years, but if the GOP had a chance of flipping it, it would the most important swing state in the country. Because talking about which state gets cast the deciding vote misses the point. Most of the time, the electoral college votes are lopsided enough that no single state would've been enough to change the result.
So do you guys think this is how the Trump-Obama meeting went down?
The Obama administration is reviewing the Democratic Coalition’s investigative report highlighting ten “clear links” that the FBI failed to investigate about our President-elect’s business ties to Russia and to the regime of dictator Vladimir Putin’s regime.
It’s named “The Dworkin Report.”
“The FBI missed at least 10 key connections between President-elect Trump and Russia when they conducted their investigation and concluded that our President-elect had no links to the country,” said Scott Dworkin, Senior Advisor to the Democratic Coalition and author of the report. “It is imperative that the American people be made aware of this information.”
The Dworkin Report shows that Donald Trump has incorporated almost 250 registered businesses in Russia.
This hard evidence directly contradicts Trump’s prior statements about having no business ties to Russia over the summer.
(Go to the source to read more incriminating info)
“I’m surprised that – if not shocked – that the FBI claims to have found no “clear link” of Trump’s Russian ties when it’s right in front of us and stretches back decades,” said Dworkin about the federal agency’s investigation exclusively in a telephone interview, “You can learn more about Trump’s Russian ties from Google, than you can from the FBI’s public purported investigation.”
You mean to tell me that the FBI, an organization that's competence in certain cases borders on frightening levels compared to other agencies missed ALL of this?
Really? There's no fucking way they didn't see it.
Either
A)They didn't see it and proven themselves so incompetent that they make even the TSA look like a well oiled machine
or
B)They DID see it, yet chose to do nothing to favor Trump because they would flourish under his authoritarian term.
Fucking terrifying.
New Survey coming this weekend!
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
Yeah, either the FBI is useless or they just sold us out to the Russians.
Oh really when?
The law in the night
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Judging by the pictures and the look in Trump's face, it is entirely possible that is how it went.
Thanks Comey
Wanna bet it was James Comey doing whatever he could from keeping those records public? But hey for all the talk the Alt-Right sucking off Dickleaks as factual and as a counterpoint for librul media, if the Wikileaks or the hacks that attacked the DNC were really honest about "seeking the truth" they'd have found that shit much earlier and go after Trump as much as they did for Hillary.
But hey, it is only bias when the media doesn't treat your candidate well right?
edited 12th Nov '16 8:24:59 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent leges
The FBI openly favored Trump during an election, which is intolerable on its own. But actually ignoring that he had ties to a hostile government? Beyond the pale.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
I was under the impression that it was more that they had a hateboner for Clinton to such an extent that they didn't give a fuck how damning something was to Trump because he had to stop evilbadwrong Hillary
edited 12th Nov '16 8:23:14 PM by Balmung
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
Man, I'm doing my best to try not to sound like some lunatic from the McCarty era but this is just really bad.
There need to be some serious purges when we get back in office.
Oh really when?
Probably has undiagnosed mild autism
I can't imagine what is going through the CIA's head right now.
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
Given the rumors of partisan infighting in the New York office I would not be surprised if someone was taking liberties with sources and evidence.
That's assuming these folks haven't entered private practice by the time Trump, Pence or the GOP exit the office.
9/11, Brussels, this, what's next? How many more things have been completely overlooked by ostensibly impartial agencies due to internal infighting or inter-agency fights?
edited 12th Nov '16 8:26:11 PM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
The law in the night
For once a government agency fucked up badly and against the interest of the nation and wasn't us!
edited 12th Nov '16 8:27:34 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent leges
It's unclear that "hostile" applies to Russo-American relations right now; Putin seems to be serious about wanting to improve them, though I would think he's probably also hoping to drive a wedge between the United States and Germany, since that particular relationship is the main barrier to a full realignment, in geopolitical terms.
That being said, any foreign nation involving itself in the US elections is a serious problem, regardless of who it is.
edited 12th Nov '16 8:33:45 PM by CaptainCapsase
Well, the Trump campaign met with some of Putin's people, as was reported earlier. I haven't read too much into it but I'm fairly sure Trump has been gassing up Putin his entire campaign. It would be the cherry on the shit sunday that the FBI is in on that as well.
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
The Russians are definitely a hostile government. The "improvement to our relationship" is entirely in his favor.
This isn't hatchet burying, we're bending over for him at this rate.
Oh really when?
The law in the night
Putin wants to end it because the US is the main driving force behind the Sanctions as a punishment for the Russian seizing of Crimea.
It is the only interest he has, a president that is unlikely to pull his feet when he starts shit in Europe. It is the same reason why Putin is funding and aiding Euro-skeptic and Far Right parties in Europe, those groups are the least likely to take action against Putin.
edited 12th Nov '16 8:38:11 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent leges
Probably has undiagnosed mild autism
How badly emboldened are the Russians going to be regarding this? I'd hope the rest of NATO doesn't abandon the baltics.
And theoretically, if the Neocons in office destabilize the middle east, oil prices could rise again, and the Kremlin gets its cash flow back. And considering that right now it's in the middle of a Pseudo War-Economy....
Yikes. Not so good.
New Survey coming this weekend!
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
God I am not looking forward to a Russia with 4 years of no NATO competition, lifted sanctions, and an improving economy.
We can't deal with that again.
Oh really when?
The law in the night
Okay, I am having some ridiculous amounts of schadenfreude right now. Why? Because in 4chan at least the morons at /b/ are realizing how much bullshit they have been spoon fed over Trump when the news of his government team showed it is filled the the rotten elements of the swamp Trump promised to drain.
Inter arma enim silent leges
So since we've had our fill of Trump-Hitler comparisons, how about a Trump-Milosevic one
?
(also because it's Twitter, there are a lot of upset people at the bottom of the thread. Yes, Serbian nationalists included.)
This makes me more tempted to learn more about political science, but that academic field doesn't put food on the table here on the Malayan peninsula.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot