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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
I’d rather stick to reality and not go into speculation that’s seems to be backed up by something as rather lacking in concrete probability such as “they’re evil and bold”, if you don’t mind my rudeness.
What could make this slightly enticing? What is the actual benefit to go forward with the threat, even by their mindset? Have they even made any real moves to look like they’d go ahead with it?
Edited by fredhot16 on Sep 17th 2021 at 6:23:51 AM
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The Republicans are getting fanatical enough that they might be willing to destroy the economy if they could blame the Democrats for it for the next fifty years.
Are the republicans explicitly needed to prevent this?
Lost in Space
Democrats can pass a debt ceiling increase without Republicans, but it requires unanimity. I can't see any of the so-called moderates defecting on this one.
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I've said it before but this year has made me hate the "moderates" almost as much as the republicans. Even with this they will probably stick to their guns and make life difficult for everyone for no good reason.
Manchin's still out there whining about the debt and inflation, things he and almost every other politician only care about when it's spending money on poor people.
Edited by TheRoguePenguin on Sep 17th 2021 at 8:36:05 AM
I've heard others say that Manchin will fold if all the other democrats vote on somethw as he apparently hates being the "deciding vote", let's hope that's true.
Foreign Troper
Former Congress Candidate and Anti-Vaxx Conspiracy Theorist Laura Loomer reduced to a begging wreck after being infected with Covid
Edited by Forenperser on Sep 18th 2021 at 11:34:00 AM
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Oh noooo.
Anyway.
It's been fun.
Thoughts and prayers
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Redmess
You may also wonder that a debt ceiling that you can raise every time you reach it, without any apparent consequences, seems rather pointless.
And you'd be right. What's more, plenty of other countries seem to be doing fine without one, and would be appalled at the idea of the government shutting down over something so trivial.
Optimism is a duty.
Oh, bother.
The fact she hoped she would get COVID-19 makes me even less sympathetic.
Especially since even now she is still spreading anti-vaxxer bullshit.
And to add insult to injury, the one effective treatment she is actually taking is a really expensive one that is funded by taxpayers.
Edited by M84 on Sep 18th 2021 at 4:49:29 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
Somebody posted the perfect response.
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Redmess
Remember we can post images now, like so:
Foreign Troper
And now they officially admit that the drone strike that supposedly was aimed at ISIS only killed a bunch of civilians
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58604655
Can we get like any accountability for this? Please?
Edited by Forenperser on Sep 18th 2021 at 3:16:43 PM
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Face me now, Bitch!
It really is the Worlds Smallest Violin. 
Lost in Space
The accountability is that we are hearing about it and the mistake was acknowledged. It's a start. Not to pick at an obvious point, but we wouldn't have gotten even this small amount of transparency under Bush or Trump. More is needed, of course.
I doubt we are ever going to get to the point where such "mistakes" carry criminal consequences, but we can at least push for more of that transparency.
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 18th 2021 at 9:17:15 AM
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Yet more proof that America is only competent when it is hurting people, and even that is a crapshoot.
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Redmess
The least they could do is give that family 50 million dollars or something. They just wiped out like an entire family there.
Optimism is a duty.
Considering it took six years and two pushes by Jon Stewart to get Congress to pass the Zadroga Act, I'm not holding my breath.
So anything of note happening at the DC rally? I sure hope not- hopefully it ends up being a big old flop.
Of course, their playbook for a long time has been "stupid and evil", so saying anything is unthinkable for them at this point sounds pretty naive.
Wake me up at your own risk.