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And this is stupider - Jared Kushner is under investigation for using unsecured means of communication for official business, including a personal email address and fucking WhatsApp!
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That's unsurprising since Wats App is genuinely considered 'secure' forgetting of course that they're owned by Facebook
Edited by Ultimatum on Mar 21st 2019 at 7:06:43 PM
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Yeah no, the "Israel lobby" does not have intrinsic power, it relies on a large part of the American public supporting Israel. Once unconditional support for Israel becomes more and more partisan it's going to become more viable for the Democratic Party to criticize or censure Israel.
Furthermore the "Israel Lobby" didn't pass anything, it was pro-Israel politicians who answered to pro-Israel constituencies that did that. Lobbying plays a role but this common view of reducing everything around Israel to lobbying makes me rather uncomfortable.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Mar 21st 2019 at 12:25:44 PM
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
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yeah I can see why,i apologise
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It's fine, I just wanted to point that out 
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A judge has ruled against Scott Walker and the Republican legislature of Wisconsin that had stripped much of the power of the new Democratic governor.
Said governor is using his restored powers to pull out of the anti health care lawsuit and cancel all the last minute appointees Walker made.
Meanwhile the American ambassador is really p... off the German Government
They are incorrect, though, technically they could expel them. But why bother? The replacement won't be any better. In any case, this guy is basically having a "good" time in Germany on the US taxpayers dime acting like an a-hole without getting any actual work done.
I wish Walker all the best with his delousing.
The fruit baskets are going to have to be so big, they'll need delivering by train haulage. :/
Pew: Republicans and Democrats Grow Even Further Apart in Views of Israel, Palestinians
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Democrats are divided in views of the Middle East conflict: Currently, 27% of Democrats say they sympathize more with Israel, while 25% say they sympathize more with the Palestinians; another 23% say they sympathize with neither or both sides and one-quarter (25%) say they don’t know.
A link to the Winsconsin story :
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/judge-temporarily-blocks-gop-power-grab-wisconsin-n985996
Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 21st 2019 at 2:14:30 AM
So actual good news from Wisconsin for a change. Are the Republicans fighting it, or is there nothing they can do?
They can still appeal.
They have promised to appeal, but that's about all they can do for now.
Man, forget fruit baskets. Remember how France gifted the Statue of Liberty to the US way back in the day? We're basically gonna have to ship out a Statue of "We Promise We Won't Fuck Up This Badly Again" to all our allies.
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
So according to the article linked to by Soban here, support for Israel has become a partisan issue already.
Kinda, but non-support for Israel is not the same thing as supporting the other actors in the area. Flawed as it is, Israel is leagues beyond it's neighbors or likely successor governments if it disappeared.
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Literally no one here has said Israel should disappear. I’m pretty sure prevailing opinion is that Netanyahu is awful and the Israeli government/military needs to stop screwing over/killing Palestinians and minorities, possibly a two state solution.
Edited by wisewillow on Mar 21st 2019 at 4:46:23 AM
I'm in favor of the two-state solution and that's as much as I'll say on the subject.
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Regarding Kushner and Ivanka's use of f*cking WhatsApp for official government business, this is my favorite part of the story. Not from the link above but the New York Times article on the topic:
Like. At what point while you're filling up an email folder with screenshots of your WhatsApp messages do you stop and go, "Maybe this isn't how I'm supposed to internet."
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Apparently not after weeks if doing it. 
I feel like the two state solution is the only sensible one and we were on our way there until reactionary politicians fucked it up.
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"On our way there" is the arguable part.
Not to drag the subject but Israel had been illegally occupying half of Jerusalem for decades by the time Trump got into office.
"On the way" seems like a very rose-tinted view of the situation back then.
That is stupid.