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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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> Seems like another shutdown might be in the cards.
How many times does the Mule have to kick them before the message gets in?
"there isn't any education in the second kick of a mule.”.
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I'm calling it now, if there's a second shutdown it'll be shorter then the first.
Republicans have already defected once and Democrats have stood firm, the precedent has been set and there's no reason for it to end differently.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 10th 2019 at 1:17:49 PM
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
The democrats have no real reason, either morally or pragmatically, to cave either. They were elected to oppose Trump's agenda, not be complicit in it, and if they gave in then Donald could hold the country hostage again to get what he wants if the precedent is set.
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x6 Can someone quote that article?
Edited by kkhohoho on Feb 10th 2019 at 12:30:41 PM
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That is the thing with Trump: he neither know when to quit or how to fight, so if this happen is going to end pretty badly for him.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
“I think the talks are stalled right now,” Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Richard C. Shelby (Ala.), the lead Republican negotiator, said on Fox News Sunday. “I’m not confident we’re going to get there.”
Lawmakers had been trading offers, trying to finalize how much money could go to barriers along the border as President Trump demands money for his wall. Trump has called for $5.7 billion, but lawmakers were trying to find a number between $1.3 billion and $2 billion that would be acceptable to both sides.
At the same time, Democrats were trying to limit the number of detention beds that the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency would have access to. Democrats want to cap detention beds as a way to limit aggressive detention activities by ICE.
People familiar with the talks said that the question of ICE beds led to the impasse, as Democrats try to cap the number, while Republicans seek a way to exclude violent criminals from the cap.
The president is scheduled to travel to El Paso, Texas, for a rally Monday night and is widely expected to focus on his demands for a border wall, a signature issue of his 2016 campaign in which he repeatedly promised Mexico would pay for the wall.
So essentially talks are stalled right now, which is terribly unsurprising. There's very little if any compromise to be had between "terrible" and "not terrible".
Nah, he quits fights all the time. His life is full of fights that he lost and then retroactively claimed victory.
Heck, he quite recently quit a fight when he caved and ended the shutdown.
It's just that he's too stupid to keep certain things abandoned.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
A procrastination in of itself
Top down class war. The kind of class warfare we actually have.
The only sure way to make sure that the great and, well, evil, do not arrange for schools to be pure conformity factories that turn out obedient little serfs that know to tuck their forelocks is to make them send their own kids. No Exceptions.
I’ll offer you this alternative, there are private school that are build specifically around teaching children to question authority and be themselves.
I attended a private school, which is reality is an anarcho-hippy-commune that’s legally defined as a school.
And 200 people in my public school class.
So....
8 was a big class at my school, it helped that we onyl went to lessons we wanted to go to, so every kid in that class had chosen to be there and wanted to learn.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
The Mod with the Migraine
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) has officially joined the 2020 race.
Disasturbator
No idea who they are (Christ there are so many people running at this point the starting line is going to be crowded!) who are they and what's their platform?
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Democratic Senator out of Minnesota, won easily in the midterms - known for being more of a moderate and working with Republicans. Here's an excerpt from the above:
Private Schools are worse for us too, since there is no competition and they are just where rich parents whose kids cant make it in public school use money to force there way through.
I kind of wonder if it is related to national wealth maybe?
Klobuchar is someone I've discussed before:
- The big tack against her is that she is not prominent and there has been controversy recently about how she treats employees.
- The big tack in favour of her is that her personality is a contrast to Trump and that in 2018 she won re-election with 24% margin in a state that Trump almost won in 2016 and the state in question (Minnesota) is fairly representative of the key swing states in the Rust Belt. In addition, it was substantially more than would be expected from the national environment and Minnesota's partisan lean, by that metric the third-best performance for all Democratic Senate candidates that year behind only Joe Manchin and Bernie Sanders.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Feb 10th 2019 at 9:52:55 PM
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Who Am I?
What about her position on the issues?
"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."
Silasw: I do believe you missed my point to the greatest extent possible. Lots of people have no choice about sending their children to public school, because of, you know, money.
Of course there are private schools that teach you to question authority. Those are the schools the authorities send their spawn to.
The idea is to force the people who make the soup to eat it, because that is the only reliable way to avoid being fed a steady diet of offal. Thus, no private schools. If the mighty want to send their children to good schools, they will have to send everyone to good schools.
I find this attitude to be a dumb one as it breaks down when Obama's kids get kidnapped and murdered by terrorists. Some people have specific circumstances that require different circumstances.
While an extreme example, I find the idea of increasing the burden on existing schools to be problematic.
Charter schools are an abomination but private schooling isn't a problem as a whole.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 10th 2019 at 1:07:32 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
State of Mind
"What about her position on the issues?"
Public Office History:
In 2006, she won her first Senate campaign by 20 points to become Minnesota’s first woman senator. Six years later, when Republicans swept elections across the country, she won reelection with 65 percent of the vote, and she even won conservative rabble-rouser Michele Bachmann’s district. Her 2018 reelection bid wasn’t even considered a real contest.
Abortion and Gun Control:
Green New Deal and Healthcare:
She hasn’t signed on to Sen. Bernie Sanders’s Medicare-for-all or $15 minimum wage proposal. She supports universal health care and reducing drug prices more generally. Her views on trade are more middle of the road.
Overall:
The bills are on issues like the opioid crisis and consumer protection, including banning lead in toys. Lately, she’s carved out a space on internet privacy issues. She’s making the case that Trump makes a lot of noise and that she is going to do the work.
Because terrorists will totally respect the sign on the lawn of the private school that says "private property, keep out" despite having no scruples about making an armed assault on a school? That is not even an argument.
Security is provided by bodyguards, not by institutions of learning.
I am phrasing it in a very confrontational manner, but the thing is, this is an actual problem.
The US south got a lot of private schools because it was policy that the schools for the kids with enough melanin should suck - that was not a racist belief, it was a racist policy goal to keep the underclass ignorant and down in the dirt. Such outright malice is rare, but situations where the people who make policy exhibit astonishing levels of indifference towards the functioning of the public system on the grounds that none of their kids go there? Those are outright common.
Who Am I?
I send my own children to private school, because they have mental health problems and the local public schools do not have the resources or expertise to give them the support they need.
"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."
Shouldn't the usonian population push for public schools to be better equiped for children with specials needs, then, whichever those might be?
I don't know how expesive private education is in the US, but I'm willing to bet there are parents of mentally impaired children that can't pay for a decent institution for them.
'Course, there might be welfare plans or such for those parents, which might be enough, but that probably varies between the states.
Edited by HailMuffins on Feb 10th 2019 at 7:33:00 AM
She/her
Yeah... because public schools are underfunded because of systemic issues. While your desire to help your children is understandable and praiseworthy, the existence of private schools is partially why public schools struggle.
Yup.
Edited by wisewillow on Feb 10th 2019 at 5:31:56 AM
Security is provided by bodyguards, not by institutions of learning.
Except that there are many institutions that provide bodyguards and security for high level government officials.
They are...private schools for the rich and powerful.
We can't even get the government to pay teachers a living wage.
In Kentucky, the state lottery generates about five hundred million dollars a year with 50% going to schools.
Do you know what the state government did with that money? They reduced school budgets by 250 million dollars.
The problems are not private schools but the government.
https://www.kylottery.com/apps/about_us/where_the_money_goes.html
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 10th 2019 at 2:50:48 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
A procrastination in of itself
There’s a difference between schools that train kids to be the authority (which are the ones politicians send their kids to) and the ones that teach kids to question authority (including the authority of their parents). Political elites aren’t sending their kids to schools that push anarcho-democracy. Hell my school has taken pride in never producing a member of two professions, school inspectors or a members of parliament.
Should private schools exist? No not really, much like private healthcare their widespread existence speaks to a failure by society to care for disadvantaged members of society. However the same way that private healthcare can exist alongside a strong well funded public healthcare system, private education can exist alongside good public education.
Your idea would also require the banning of homeschooling and private tutors, as the rich who want to fuck over others would just use those two as options rather than fund public schools.
The much simpler solution is to elect politicians who care about kids other than wealthy ones.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Well there were 20 people in my class at Private School.
And 200 people in my public school class.
So....
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