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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#263726: Dec 6th 2018 at 8:21:38 AM

[up] Their biggest advantage is their legacy in general. As they are now they aren’t able to afford a modern military or government, but luckily enough they retained enough of both from the Soviets to make it work. They’re still coasting on Soviet infrastructure and military spending.

They should have sent a poet.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#263727: Dec 6th 2018 at 8:23:35 AM

Furthermore, their power projection (outside of failed states and their immediate neighbors) is largely based on corruption, propaganda and subversion.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#263728: Dec 6th 2018 at 8:30:57 AM

[up] The only power they can gain is relative to the other countries around it, which is why they are so intent on destabilizing the surrounding countries. The reason they are reverting to a Soviet style Active Measures campaign (disinformation, subversion of political parties and advocacy groups, Coercion, etc) is because it's a relatively low cost way of accomplishing that goal.

Edited by megaeliz on Dec 6th 2018 at 11:43:44 AM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#263729: Dec 6th 2018 at 8:33:21 AM

[up] I think more important that that is the strong irredentist narrative in Russian politics. They’re working to get those countries “back”, not simply destabilize them.

They should have sent a poet.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#263730: Dec 6th 2018 at 8:34:41 AM

So it looks like Elizabeth Warren is having manufactroversy issues.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#263731: Dec 6th 2018 at 8:37:29 AM

The fact they have bullied, corrupted, and intimidated other countries into being annexed by them pretty much says, "Only able to do X through Y" is still pretty damn terrifying.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#263732: Dec 6th 2018 at 8:39:19 AM

[up][up][up] Speaking of that, this is amazing resource for really understanding how Russia uses asymmetric "Active Measure" style tools, to exert it's influence around the world.

The Authoritarian Interference Tracker exposes the Russian government’s foreign interference activities in more than 40 transatlantic countries from 2000 to the present across the five tools ASD tracks. These tools are: information operations, cyberattacks, political and social subversion, strategic economic coercion, and malign finance. The Tracker shines a light on the tactics and trends that define the Russian government’s interference efforts in democracies, and highlights the interconnectivity between different parts of the asymmetric toolkit. Forthcoming iterations of the Tracker will expand to catalog authoritarian interference by other regimes that adopt similar tactics to undermine democracies.

It goes all the way back to 2000, and really gives the most complete picture of mounting Russian Aggression I've seen.

Edited by megaeliz on Dec 6th 2018 at 11:47:03 AM

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#263733: Dec 6th 2018 at 8:58:27 AM

Asymetric influence operations isnt that hard to counter, but first a country has to take it seriously enough to try.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#263734: Dec 6th 2018 at 8:59:25 AM

[up][up][up] Let’s be realistic here though, their influence is heavily limited. Their “intervention” in Syria is a shadow of what the Soviets were able to do. The political weight they can throw around is more or less limited to their immediate neighbors. Sure, they’re a threat, but it’s not a massive or immediate threat.

Edited by archonspeaks on Dec 6th 2018 at 8:59:38 AM

They should have sent a poet.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#263735: Dec 6th 2018 at 9:00:56 AM

They very probably won the election for Trump so "limited" is a nonstatement. Basically, every attempt to downplay or understate Russia's threat is wrong IMHO. They need to be talked UP not down.

Also, the Soviet Union had many many nations willing to stand against them while the Russian Federation has invaded multiple nations with barely a whimper from the international community.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 6th 2018 at 9:01:34 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#263736: Dec 6th 2018 at 9:05:50 AM

[up] Or we could simply be realistic about the threat posed, which is present but not critical.

And the whole “the Russians handed Trump the election” thing is absurdly reductive. Yes, they likely contributed to his victory, but domestic factors were much more significant. They didn’t single-handedly steal the election.

I’ll also point out that the “invasions” they’ve done have all been through deniable local proxies and political warfare with minimal participation from actual Russian units. They’re not exactly the classical definition of an invasion like you seem to be trying to imply.

They should have sent a poet.
Friendperson Since: Aug, 2018
#263737: Dec 6th 2018 at 9:23:09 AM

[up]I find that when we argue over the definitions of things like "invasions" and "censorship" no points can actually be made.

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#263738: Dec 6th 2018 at 9:35:26 AM

Again, not hard to counter, but we would need an administration that wanted to first. The only reason that the Russians are so dangerous now is because we ignored them so long.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#263739: Dec 6th 2018 at 9:44:53 AM

[up][up] True, but there’s a obvious distinction between a hard power military invasion and a soft power proxy invasion. The above poster is making it seem like Russia is capable of the former, when it’s actially the latter.

They should have sent a poet.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#263740: Dec 6th 2018 at 9:48:32 AM

[up] So once we have someone not in the pocket of oligarchs and authoritians in the White House, what is the next step do you think?

Edited by megaeliz on Dec 6th 2018 at 12:51:05 PM

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#263741: Dec 6th 2018 at 10:09:18 AM

Quietly taking Putin into a back room somewhere and asking him how robust he thinks the Moscow metropolitan digital infrastructure is.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#263742: Dec 6th 2018 at 1:09:34 PM

So on the State level, Arizona Rep. David Stringer made some... decidedly questionable remarks regarding race and immigration.

Three students are heard on the audio confronting Stringer, who has made controversial comments about immigration and diversity in the past.

Stringer is heard on the audio saying “diversity in our country is relatively new.”

ASU sophomore Stephen Chmura responded by citing immigration from Ireland and Italy.

"They were all European," Stringer said. "So after their second or third generation, everybody looks the same. Everybody talks the same. That's not the case with African-Americans and other racial groups because they don't melt in. They don't blend in. They always look different."

"Why does looking different matter?" Chmura asked.

"I don't know. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe it doesn't to a lot of people,” Stringer said. “It seems to matter to a lot of people who move out of Detroit, who move out of Baltimore. You know we have white flight in this country."

Chmura pointed out that his Polish great grandfather wanted a better life for himself, just like Venezuelans fleeing from a “socialist regime.”

"The difference between the Polish-American immigrant and the immigrant from Somalia is the second-generation Polish immigrant looks like the Irish kid and the German kid and every other kid,” Stringer said. “But the immigrant from Somalia does not."

Stringer, throughout the conversation, continues to refer to immigrants and non-native English speakers as a “burden.”

"It costs a lot of more to educate a child who doesn't speak English as a native language," Stringer said. "So that's a burden on the taxpayers. It's a pretty significant burden."

Stringer has previously said that “immigration today represents an existential threat to the United States."

He was recorded earlier this year lamenting about how there “aren’t enough white kids to go around” because 60 percent of children in Arizona schools were minorities.

The Arizona Republican Party called on him to resign over the remarks but he refused. He won his reelection in Prescott earlier this month.

Stringer later apologized to “anyone he offended” during an interview with the Arizona Capitol Times.

“I maybe touched a third rail of politics but what I said is accurate,” Stringer said in June. “Anybody that talks about this in this way is shut down and called a racist. I’m speaking the truth. Diversity may be a great thing, there might be a lot of advantages, I’m not arguing against diversity at all, but no country can be demographically transformed without any political or social consequences.”

Arizona state Rep. César Chávez (D), an immigrant himself, tore into Stringer on Twitter Friday.

“The Arizona Legislature has no room for individuals such as David Stringer,” he wrote. “Arizona is enriched by it’s diversity and cultures. We must look to move forward from this divisiveness, and I believe in order to do so he must resign or the #AZ Leg should take actions for expulsion.”

“Representative Stringer’s comments are vile and won’t be tolerated,” Bowers wrote. “His remarks don’t reflect the sentiments of the Arizona Legislature, the constituents we represent, and the policies we enact."

Bowers added that Stringer's remarks made him "incapable of performing his duties" as chairman of the Sentencing and Recidivism Reform Committee, prompting him to ask for Stringer's resignation from the position.

"I gave Representative Stringer a critical assignment as chair of the Sentencing and Recidivism Reform Committee. These comments render him incapable of performing his duties as chair. I asked Representative Stringer to resign as chair of the committee, and he has agreed to do so.”

So at least that last bit is good news - but good God is it saying something about his constituents when even the GOP in Arizona tell the guy to quit running for reelection... and not only does he not listen, but he wins anyway.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#263743: Dec 6th 2018 at 1:24:20 PM

These were the same people who figured Joe Arpaio was okay. So no surprise.

[down] Or they have a very selective reading of it. They're ignoring that for a long time, Irish and Central and Eastern Europeans were considered racially inferior by the mostly English-descended Americans. Now since that sounds silly, they're saying "all white people" which makes them look not only ignorant, but also stupid.

Heck, even H.P. Lovecraft wrote his Shadow over Innsmouth after he found out his Grandmom was Welsh.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Dec 6th 2018 at 5:20:04 AM

I hold the secrets of the machine.
RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
Figure of Hourai
#263744: Dec 6th 2018 at 2:12:01 PM

Also, "relatively new"? Er... I see someone fails a basic grasp of history.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#263745: Dec 6th 2018 at 2:26:36 PM

Party of White Supremacy has White supremacist, news at '11.

I am thoroughly unsurprised by this, still, it's nice to have a minor refresher about how awful the Republicans are. Gotta keep that animosity burning.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
PhysicalStamina Since: Apr, 2012
#263746: Dec 6th 2018 at 3:05:59 PM

I mean, I guess you could say the celebration of diversity is relatively new from a historical standpoint, but...

[up][up][up]Always expect Republicans to twist history into whatever's convenient for them to believe at the time.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Dec 6th 2018 at 6:07:19 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#263747: Dec 6th 2018 at 3:37:25 PM

As someone from Arizona: FUCK this guy!

Kayeka Since: Dec, 2009
#263748: Dec 6th 2018 at 4:28:20 PM

Okay, so, this is not exactly current politics, but I thought you guys would appreciate a little "where are they now" story: Milo Yiannopolous was kicked of Patreon after only a single day, and still for millions of dollars in debt.

I know it's wrong to feel happy about another person's misfortune, but I really can't help it.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#263749: Dec 6th 2018 at 4:28:59 PM

[up]I would say it's fine in this case. Yiannopolous is a garbage heap of a person.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#263750: Dec 6th 2018 at 4:32:33 PM

> and for $750 per month, “Milo will fly to you and take you and a friend out for dinner once a year.”

When did Milo grow wings,and why would someone want to be his dinner

New theme music also a box

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